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you're listening to the music of the

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Dogon people for me it's pretty hard to

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listen to but the point of playing music

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from this small ancient tribe in West

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Africa is because maybe as many of you

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know the Dogon pose an interesting

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dilemma for those of us who want to move

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from our knowns our comfortable sciency

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archaeological history is what they

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teach us in school kind of reality to

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the extended reality that we explore so

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much on this show and that is because

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the Dogon like many ancient people have

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always claimed that their ancestors came

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from the stars

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it's an ancient alien kind of thing but

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what's unique about the Dogon and the

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way they relate to today's guest is that

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when the Dogon first encountered Western

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anthropologists in the 1830s they told

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them some specific information that they

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were given by their star brother

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ancestors and particularly they told

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anthropologists that they were from the

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Syrian star system a star which is one

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of the brightest stars in the sky so

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bright in fact they said that it

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obscured the fact that there was a

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smaller dwarf star circling around the

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visible star but in the 1830s this was

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impossible to see even with the

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telescopes of the time in fact it wasn't

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visible until the telescope technology

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that we had in 1970 when astronomers

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looked and were able to confirm that

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there is a twin star around Sirius but

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the Dogon had more to say much more they

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correctly said that the orbital spin of

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the dwarf star was something like 50

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years and that there were three planets

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that would show up and they had specific

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information about the density of these

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planets and their rotation other

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information that would be impossible it

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would seem for an ancient culture

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without even a written language to know

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but again the question for me is how do

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we go from the known to the unknown

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you're right

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tibetan lamas voluntarily locked

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themselves into lightless underground

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cells for up to three years this is what

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you've discovered from a guy who's been

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there been to india have met with these

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people have enough of a credibility in

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terms of what you've done and your own

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spiritual journey to talk to these

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people on this level and to learn this

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stuff i'm returning to your email this

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would drive the average person insane

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but the purpose of the incarceration is

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among other things to develop the

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ability to soul travel like the spider

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who creates his own web we have this

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ability to because consciousness has

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this great range of flexibility we can

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create through our intention that's the

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key intentionality a bubble and

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ectoplasmic bubble if you will and we

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just you know we just travel in that

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powered by thought and intention stick

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my interview with Steve Briggs is up

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next on skeptical

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today we welcome Steve Briggs to

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skeptical Steve is the author of India a

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mirror of truth a book that chronicles

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his amazing journey and experiences with

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a variety of Indian mystics Yogi's and

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otherwise just amazing people it's quite

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an incredible account and I'm super

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excited to have Steve join me today on

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skeptic Oh Steve welcome thanks for

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being here

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well thanks Alex it's a pleasure to be

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talking to you

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especially when you're in California and

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middle of Iowa and it's gonna be below

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zero for the rest of you so get a little

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sunshine from you well yeah I'll try and

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send it send it your way so Steve we met

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through your longtime friend and a guy I

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consider my friend Rick Archer who hosts

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a very excellent podcast that I

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reference frequently on this show called

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Buddha at the gas pump and since your

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relationship with Rick really leads

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right into your book I thought we might

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kind of start there with with your

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background how you know Rick and then

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the story of how you came to write this

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book Rick and I were on a meditation

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retreat I think it was in 1974 so that

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dates us way back I was in the French

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Alps and actually the Rick was leading

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the retreat there are a couple hundred

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of us mostly were Americans and so we

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got to know each other there we met and

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then both of us later on got married and

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our wives had been friends since they

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were teenagers so we have a long

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connection he's a great guy and if

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further thing was that for about ten

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years we were also on a was called a

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brahmacari program a single man kind of

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monkish program together and we traveled

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to philippines in india and and germany

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and switzerland over those so I got to

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know Rick really well and this is all in

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service devotion to Maharishi this is in

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the context of marshy Mahesh Yogi's

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Transcendental Meditation program and I

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of his advanced / programs which a lot

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of times is well known but we we did

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projects for him I did projects for

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marshy and in India for those seven

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years which was the genesis of the book

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the Philippines with President Marcos

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and all kinds of fun stuff interesting

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different kind of lifestyle that we had

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therefore I was on that program for I

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think 22 years so you know you're

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talking about it in a rather nonchalant

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way which is fine but this is completely

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outside of one your background you're an

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MBA it's outside especially at that time

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spiritual uprising in in the u.s.

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especially as it related to India and

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that was all mainly driven by Maharishi

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so I mean take us back to that time and

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what that whole experience was for you

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at the time and and then again you just

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touched on how that led to you writing

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this book take us through that well Alex

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I got into meditation to become a better

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tennis player this is why I was 519 just

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a freshman at college University of

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Arizona on a tennis scholarship in

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tennis meant the world to me then it's

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still still my occupation

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I teach tennis but what I found when I

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immediately started to meditate was that

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my game have got better I felt better

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about myself I felt more confident I

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felt more coordinated physically

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mentally and that led me to really want

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to dig deeper yeah we were just coming

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out of the late 60s for me that was

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learning TM was saying in 1972 and so

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there's big transition going on in

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America and everybody was trying to wake

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up to new new principles and new

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cultural values and so I learned TM and

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within nine months I ran off to

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Switzerland to to become a quote teacher

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of meditation with Maharshi up in the

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Alps he came several times spent some

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time with us and then things developed a

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couple people to go to India and and

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socialist orientation culturally and

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markets and marshy wanted to just jump

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right in there and and get some

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creativity get some energy get some

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leadership for that move he thought it

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was a good thing so he sent us over and

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we started teaching corporate meditation

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courses to all kinds of Indian leaders

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really interesting people really of the

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forefathers of what we see as far as the

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economic growth in the country today so

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we were over there teaching all over the

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country every big city every everywhere

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everywhere teaching but whenever we

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didn't have a course very often we'd run

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off to see the Saints we should run off

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mountains we go up in the Himalayas and

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we'd spend two three weeks at the source

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of the Ganges we would go to all the

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holy pilgrimage spots and you know and

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naturally along the way you'd meet some

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pretty unusual people so that was sort

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of how it all started and it we had no

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idea when we jumped on board to go to

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India that we were going to be there for

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seven years but it was absolutely the

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best time of my life I absolutely and

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the reason I wrote the book Alex is

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because when I got back from India I

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missed it so much I got back I had to

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leave India I got very very sick after

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seven years if people been to India know

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it's a little bit hard on your body and

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said don't go back for two years you you

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can't risk that so I didn't but the same

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time I was missing it so I started

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writing about it and in my book you you

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mentioned is what came out of that you

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know the book and you've written

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two books and we probably won't have a

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chance to talk much about the other one

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but what is the name of the other book

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Himalayan Yogi's and that's a novel it's

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also you know the Himalayas for me was

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such a transformative experience not

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just visually but everywhere I went they

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the holy rivers up there and and the

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incredible people I met and not just

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saintly people but the villagers and the

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people who just live there and farm

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there and and have been there for

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generations it's just an incredibly you

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don't feel like you're on planet Earth

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to be honest so yeah I definitely get

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that sense and a lot of people get that

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sense in talking to people like you or

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meeting you know some of these mystics

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that come over to the United States some

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of these Yogi's and I guess that's why I

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want to kind of have you on

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you know because not so much to talk

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really directly about the book although

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as much of I've as I've read of the book

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I can say it's excellent really

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well-written I can't believe I thank you

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it's such a book and then you've written

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a fiction book on top of that quite an

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accomplishment but what I really wanted

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to talk about and what I want to just

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kind of invite you into this

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conversation is to get some of that

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experience that you have and relate it

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to some of the things that I've been

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poking into so I got interested in

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looking at this extended consciousness

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stuff through skeptic oh and I wanted to

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stay really close to the science so I

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started with parapsychology because

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that's really safe in its science II and

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then I got into looking at peer-reviewed

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near-death experience zones because

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consciousness realm but I could still

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talk about it from a very science II

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kind of perspective in all the wrong but

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in the back of my mind I'm thinking I'm

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a yogi I mean I'm a long time anyone's a

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yogi who says they're a yogi and I

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practiced yoga for thirty years I've

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always been a student of yoga I've been

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a meditator so whatever someone wants to

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advances their credentials I don't have

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a lot of credentials but I still

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consider that perspective as being

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central

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to Who I am so I always felt like there

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were these two kind of things going on I

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wanted to explore the science side but I

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always had in the back of my mind that

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there are these people out there that

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just blow all this stuff away in a way

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that we can't really explain and when we

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do try and explain it comes out as

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either fake like someone's just making

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it up or it comes out as so fantastic

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that people can't really grab it so here

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was kind of the breaking point that

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really led me to you I've gotten

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interested and I always have been but

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I've read my interest in the et stuff

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and primarily because a buddy of mine

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ray Hernandez who's been working for a

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long time in setting up this

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organization with former astronaut Edgar

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Mitchell dr. Edgar Mitchell and who also

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founded ions and these guys decided a

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few years ago that the UFO research

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thing was really headed in the wrong

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direction and what they needed to do was

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focus on experiencers people who've had

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contact with et and even though that

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sounds very strange to people they

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decided that they were going to approach

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it in a very scientific way as

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scientific as they could with a very

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well-designed

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scientific survey to try and understand

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these experiences and the net result of

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that Steve is this movement among that

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community to kind of recast these

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contact experiences as spiritually

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transformative experiences because

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that's kind of where they go they line

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up with the near-death experience

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experiences and that's the point where I

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jumped ship and said wait a minute what

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are we looking at here when we're

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starting to call these experiences

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genuine spiritual eix spiritual

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experiences are these somehow

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counterfeited spiritual experiences and

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then that caused me to re-examine

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whether any a spiritual experience

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is genuine or whether we're

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counterfeiting all of them and that's

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the time that I very fortunately ran

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into the excellent interview you did

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with Rick on that gap and I said this

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guy is perfect to really add some some

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meat and substance to these folks out

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there these Indian Yogi's and mystics

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who and add adepts who just have maybe

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found a way to manipulate this extended

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consciousness in a way that will inform

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some of these issues so I've talked for

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a super long time but I did want to set

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that up as a background and then where I

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wanted to kind of lead you is all the

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way back to your story and talk about

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tennis okay

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because in your interview with Rick you

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guys opened it up in really kind of a

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cool way in talking about tennis and you

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Steve related it back to even an earlier

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experience you had as a kid that you

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want to talk about that experience in

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that first extraordinary kind of

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extended consciousness experience be

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happy to it's my my pet theory that

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anyone who dedicates themselves to or is

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passionate about something whether it's

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dance or art or astronomy or tennis

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soccer that if they or chanting the

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Vedas if you focus yourself and are

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dedicated to it you develop your your

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consciousness you're developing yourself

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and as I got started with tennis when I

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was I don't think six years old my

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brother was eight our father had been a

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state champion so as soon as we were old

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enough the racquets came from the

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department store and by the for the

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first day we went out and played two

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girls who were three years older than us

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state we didn't get a game you know they

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were I was six years old and we didn't

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know that they were the City champs but

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they you know I thought I don't care I'm

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gonna beat those girls you know and

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about you know in a short period of time

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and so we really you know took to it and

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I had a brother who was equally

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interested we just played and played and

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played all summer everyday within a

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couple years we were playing national

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tournaments now we had the help of a

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father who who knew how to play there

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were no coaches there weren't even in

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indoor courts in our town in the Midwest

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in Illinois Rock Island but as time went

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by we developed we were pretty good

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athletes and by the time I was 15 I was

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playing on the Centre Court in the

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United States the USTA national Junior

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Championships I was playing I think he's

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10th or 12th ranked player in the

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country from Southern California and the

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match was nip and tuck who he could have

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gone either way and I was struggling in

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the match because they were these red

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white and blue banners it was the

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national championship so they had these

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banners behind the court tennis balls

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back then were white and I couldn't

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couldn't see the ball very well in with

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the white part of the background so I

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was trying to figure out this guy be

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some way that I can pick up his serve

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better so that I can you know play a

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better match and as I focused deeper and

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deeper and got more resolved that I got

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I could figure this out because we're

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down to crunch time suddenly and

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gradually a shift started to occur and

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there was a lot of different ways that I

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could describe that shift and one was

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everything slowed down it seemed like my

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decision-making head I had a lot more

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time to decide what I wanted to do with

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the ball his shots seemed to slow down

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the ball was bigger and sometimes the

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tennis players on the Pro Tour they

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described the tennis ball was as big as

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a as a cantaloupe it's just that and

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it's it's the same ball there's nothing

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different Alex in the same dimensions in

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the court in the same racket maybe the

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sun's bright or maybe the winds blowing

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but all that this specifics are the same

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but suddenly there was a shift very

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clear inside of me and that shift

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translated into a better play and back

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then we talked about as being in the

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zone

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and sometimes we tease each other you're

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playing up in the trees that's that was

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a 70 story you're up in the trees here

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like an ape or something and so that

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wasn't just me feeling happy inside that

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I'm this is cool and I'm witnessing or

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I'm I'm not involved and I'm playing but

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I actually won the match because of it

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so there was a concrete you know

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practical result to this shift in at

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least from my point of view and as time

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went by people in athletics and in other

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areas

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ballet whatever you want to look at

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soccer they began to talk about these

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fields of consciousness and how they

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impact sports performance or or any

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performance no if you're not thinking

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clearly you're not going to be a very

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good physicist that day if you're if

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you've had a good meditation you've had

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a good night's sleep or whatever you may

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have some insights you know you may you

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know do something brilliant you know the

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one I I threw out to you in the email

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exchange and this always interest me in

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a couple of different levels but in

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baseball if you really do the math on a

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hundred mile an hour fastball there is

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no way that anyone should ever hit that

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and they kind of fudged the numbers that

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make it got it well if you could in two

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milliseconds you know it doesn't make

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any sense because you were relating it

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to a lot of different things the net-net

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for me is that reality is a lot more

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flexible than we think and you found a

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way and you found multiple ways one in

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tennis and then that's probably what

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opened you up to a more of an interest

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in meditation to understanding the

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flexibility of reality and I relate it

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back to you know I was talking about

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parapsychology one of the first guys I

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talked to and things I got interested in

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was a Dean Radin at ions who's done this

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in dr. Dean Radin incredible

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peer-reviewed multiple times multiple

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labs over and over again this

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presentiment effect where people are

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shown this image and they have the

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natural ability to know their body knows

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and responds before the image is shown

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whether they're going to be some kind of

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graphic violent image or just some

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pastoral got a nice calm thing and I

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said you know isn't that like in the lab

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a demonstration of the flexibility of

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reality and then there you are

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experiencing it on the tennis court and

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then you're relating it to people who

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have downloads and all this other stuff

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but what if we take a step back I just

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would love you for you to comment on

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this idea if we fully embrace

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the idea that reality is flexible in all

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these different ways that's kind of

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uncomfortable too I mean what is what

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does that mean I love that term reality

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is flexible but I believe it's

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infinitely flexible it has no limit to

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its pliability and I hope we can you

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know delve into that a little bit more

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later on but one example of that

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flexibility is I had I don't know if you

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want to call it precognitive but I knew

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what my opponent in this match that I

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was referencing I knew what my opponent

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was gonna where he was gonna hit his

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serve once my awareness well I had

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shifted into this what I would call out

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of more quantum mechanical state a more

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holistic state of awareness less tense

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state of mind just more fluid then

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suddenly great things were happening and

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it was like hey it's like I'm a man

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playing against a child I had this

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advanced inside information and it's

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like being an insider on Wall Street how

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can you lose you know so I don't care

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for the analogy but anyway that's how I

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felt and that's what the result was and

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I you know I won that match and went on

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to you know get a top 15 ranking in the

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country based on one hour of

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transcendent experience and then you use

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that I love how the story goes the coach

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is getting mad because you were teaching

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everyone TM everyone is meditating and

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it was effective in your success on the

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court we we had all my college buddies

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we had a varsity of eight players and

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five of eight guys learned to meditate

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the year that I became a teacher my

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brother was there including my brother

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my doubles partner and we we went on to

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win three conference championships and

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three top-ten NCAA finishes and we were

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having a blast you know we were all free

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we were a couple guys Southern

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California surfer bums that they were

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they've took to it really easily and and

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so the only downside was our coach kept

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00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:16,630
saying hey how come you guys never come

546
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:18,250
down and have coffee with me and at the

547
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:18,910
hotel

548
00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:21,010
for breakfast because we were all up in

549
00:23:25,230 --> 00:23:23,500
our rooms doing our dutifully doing 20

550
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,240
minutes of annotation you know before we

551
00:23:31,169 --> 00:23:28,720
showed up so so let's skip ahead in the

552
00:23:34,139 --> 00:23:31,179
story and now

553
00:23:37,859 --> 00:23:34,149
you're it's natural that you would be

554
00:23:40,349 --> 00:23:37,869
drawn drawn to Maharishi and the TM

555
00:23:42,719 --> 00:23:40,359
stuff works for you and then as you said

556
00:23:44,459 --> 00:23:42,729
he's an interesting figure and we're

557
00:23:46,879 --> 00:23:44,469
gonna pull that apart a little bit

558
00:23:50,909 --> 00:23:46,889
because one of the things I love about

559
00:23:53,879 --> 00:23:50,919
Rick and about you and listening to to

560
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:53,889
you is you know there's some shadiness

561
00:23:59,729 --> 00:23:56,710
to Maharishi there always has been and

562
00:24:03,089 --> 00:23:59,739
I'm always leery of people who won't own

563
00:24:06,329 --> 00:24:03,099
that and both of you guys have found a

564
00:24:08,579 --> 00:24:06,339
way to own that take the good leave the

565
00:24:11,329 --> 00:24:08,589
bed try and understand it at a deeper

566
00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:11,339
level without running from it or just

567
00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:13,629
pretending like it didn't exist and

568
00:24:18,209 --> 00:24:15,609
those are always litmus tests for me

569
00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:18,219
because when people can't own that then

570
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:19,719
it's like there's another part of the

571
00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:22,809
shadow that we can't we can't penetrate

572
00:24:26,579 --> 00:24:24,580
do you do you want to address that in a

573
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:26,589
general yeah I'd be happy to talk about

574
00:24:33,329 --> 00:24:30,299
it sure you know I think I have maybe

575
00:24:35,129 --> 00:24:33,339
potential for a little bit of a decent

576
00:24:37,339 --> 00:24:35,139
reasonable insight because of seven

577
00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:37,349
years I was in India and then the 40

578
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:40,830
whatever 40-plus years that I've been

579
00:24:45,899 --> 00:24:43,210
interacting with with the Guru figures

580
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,909
and so forth so if we look at a little

581
00:24:49,379 --> 00:24:47,679
bit from the Indian cultural point of

582
00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:49,389
view just as a general picture and then

583
00:24:55,469 --> 00:24:52,539
we can hone in on specific stuff my

584
00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:55,479
experience in today's Indian culture and

585
00:25:01,709 --> 00:24:57,700
Hindu culture Vedic culture it has a

586
00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:01,719
male bias boys are raised in the sense

587
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:03,070
that they can't really do anything wrong

588
00:25:07,349 --> 00:25:05,769
they're their princes and that that has

589
00:25:08,669 --> 00:25:07,359
its positive so if they grew up with

590
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,679
confidence and they believe that they

591
00:25:13,469 --> 00:25:11,039
can do all the things that their parents

592
00:25:16,379 --> 00:25:13,479
give them the sense that they can do

593
00:25:18,690 --> 00:25:16,389
girls on the other hand are kept in the

594
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:18,700
house and and domesticated more and I

595
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:21,700
think that that paradigm is changing I

596
00:25:26,129 --> 00:25:23,529
don't want to kind of stereotype it too

597
00:25:29,009 --> 00:25:26,139
severely but I think a lot of the groove

598
00:25:32,869 --> 00:25:29,019
figures that we've grown up with in the

599
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:32,879
past 50 years come out of that cultural

600
00:25:40,019 --> 00:25:37,960
background that paradigm so if you look

601
00:25:43,399 --> 00:25:40,029
at goos in India a lot of times they're

602
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:43,409
called God men and that's an amazingly

603
00:25:47,820 --> 00:25:44,770
broad

604
00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:47,830
to apply to any human being so we get

605
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:49,180
that a little bit of background that

606
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:52,300
maybe they are as human beings a lot of

607
00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:55,240
the guru figures are possibly puffed up

608
00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:57,820
a little bit more than then they really

609
00:26:02,670 --> 00:26:01,210
should be and whether a particular guru

610
00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:02,680
or not is in the highest state of

611
00:26:07,230 --> 00:26:04,590
enlightenment I certainly am not

612
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,240
qualified to comment I can only judge

613
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:09,760
their actions they're my interactions

614
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:12,940
with them the work they do the clarity

615
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:14,860
of their mind as they speak and so forth

616
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:18,630
and what I found is that yes I really

617
00:26:24,420 --> 00:26:22,600
have felt like I learned to take the

618
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:24,430
good and discard what I didn't you know

619
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:28,570
didn't find to be so good but hold on

620
00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:30,730
cuz let me you know we're kind of

621
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:32,980
dancing around things here okay let's

622
00:26:35,490 --> 00:26:34,330
make sure first of all the people know

623
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:35,500
what we're talking about first of all

624
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,260
the Beatles show up and they're at

625
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:40,000
maharishis feet and they think

626
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:41,410
everything's great and then the next

627
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:42,940
thing you know John Lennon says get away

628
00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:44,920
from me you creep you just made a pass

629
00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:47,140
at me a pharaoh and you're just a creep

630
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:49,390
you know and then everyone goes oh no

631
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:50,770
that couldn't have happened and you know

632
00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:53,140
we even have Deepak Chopra you know

633
00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:54,820
saying oh well you know I talked him

634
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:56,740
later and it didn't happen with the puck

635
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:00,220
is here in in San Diego and I know a lot

636
00:27:05,270 --> 00:27:02,050
of people know him personally and he's

637
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:05,280
known he's not someone I would trust on

638
00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:08,020
sexual indiscretions that need to be

639
00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:10,630
hidden but the point being Steve without

640
00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:12,190
barring the leak because what I think

641
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:15,400
really throws people for a loop is we're

642
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:17,920
trying to understand this extended

643
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,470
consciousness realm and beyond that

644
00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:22,720
we're trying to understand the spiritual

645
00:27:29,220 --> 00:27:27,100
realm and we hold these people up as not

646
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:29,230
just like you know you're saying of a

647
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:32,740
really advanced God like boy we're

648
00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:36,010
saying they're closer connected to God

649
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:40,840
than we are so when they fall it makes

650
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:43,950
us question the fundamental question is

651
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,350
what is their relationship to God to the

652
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:52,000
larger spiritual truths that they

653
00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:55,300
espouse how could they stumble and if

654
00:28:01,410 --> 00:27:57,820
they can stumble what hope is there for

655
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:01,420
Plus yeah yeah totally yeah I think one

656
00:28:07,890 --> 00:28:04,440
of the devastating experiences that a a

657
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:07,900
devotee or someone on the path who has a

658
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:12,010
guru is that if they find that the Guru

659
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,870
is something less than they thought when

660
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:16,720
they first got on board it it could

661
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:18,250
throw them right off their spiritual

662
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:21,310
path they could really lead to cynicism

663
00:28:25,260 --> 00:28:22,930
and doubt and all kinds of things that

664
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:25,270
would not probably be helpful to their

665
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:28,000
long-term evolution there aren't their

666
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:29,950
own growth I think one of the problems

667
00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:33,130
is that we place these these individuals

668
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:35,080
on too high of a pedestal they are human

669
00:28:40,110 --> 00:28:38,140
beings and I'm gonna address exactly

670
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:40,120
what you're we're asking Marsh she had

671
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:41,080
been accused

672
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:42,970
exactly did that article even came out

673
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,350
in The Daily Beast I don't know if you

674
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:46,720
saw the big big article that came out

675
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:48,940
Marsh she's been Pat passed away for

676
00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:51,130
over ten years and again it referenced

677
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:54,400
Mia Farrow at one point in time after I

678
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:56,020
written the book that you mentioned a

679
00:29:00,810 --> 00:28:58,990
lady came to me and she you know I

680
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,820
thought she wanted me to become her new

681
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:03,760
mentor she was a devotee of maharshi's

682
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:06,210
and she came to our house my wife and I

683
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,650
had a house in Fairfield she came to our

684
00:29:12,750 --> 00:29:10,960
house and she started talking said you

685
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:12,760
know Marsh she made these overtures to

686
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:15,400
me way way back and you know that was

687
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:17,380
the first I'd heard of anything I know

688
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:19,300
it was a it was a shock to my system

689
00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:22,930
because you know when when I was 24

690
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:25,900
years old Marsh she had suggested that

691
00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:27,880
Rick Archer and myself and others that

692
00:29:33,270 --> 00:29:31,300
we adopt a celibate lifestyle and we we

693
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:33,280
stuck to that I was in that program for

694
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:37,210
I think 20 plus years and you know

695
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:39,940
marshy in our minds was always defined

696
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:43,240
as a monk as a life celibate and so then

697
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:45,100
this lady comes to my house and says no

698
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:48,310
that's not true and it was you know I

699
00:29:54,450 --> 00:29:52,540
had to suddenly do some soul-searching

700
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:54,460
thinking what does this mean to me

701
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:56,530
because I've spent you know a couple

702
00:30:03,780 --> 00:30:00,640
decades following the advice of a guru a

703
00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:03,790
venerated and I still in spite of some

704
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:05,500
of these things that were discussing now

705
00:30:09,779 --> 00:30:07,690
I have an enormous regard and respect

706
00:30:12,869 --> 00:30:09,789
for Maharshi so I I died

707
00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:12,879
with it I digested it but I don't view

708
00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:15,460
Maharshi as someone who never made a

709
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:16,840
mistake either personally or

710
00:30:20,969 --> 00:30:19,090
professionally I don't put him on that

711
00:30:24,479 --> 00:30:20,979
level because I don't think it's fair to

712
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:24,489
him and I also don't think it's fair to

713
00:30:30,539 --> 00:30:29,200
a disciple to have someone say do as I

714
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:30,549
say but not as I do

715
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:32,830
sure and I also don't feel comfortable

716
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:36,340
when an organization goes into a mode of

717
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,350
of denial or cover-up and I don't think

718
00:30:43,349 --> 00:30:40,720
that that has happened in the TM

719
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:43,359
organization but I because well it kind

720
00:30:48,779 --> 00:30:46,330
of has but it I haven't seen any people

721
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:48,789
respond to that question other than you

722
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:50,169
know of course deep box comments like

723
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:52,690
that but I know it's there and I know

724
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,279
that if you were to go one by one

725
00:30:59,489 --> 00:30:57,039
through all the different goos that have

726
00:31:02,369 --> 00:30:59,499
come from India I'm referring more to

727
00:31:04,349 --> 00:31:02,379
the mail gurus right now I think there

728
00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:04,359
would be a very small list out of about

729
00:31:10,349 --> 00:31:06,909
20 that maybe had lived up to their

730
00:31:13,589 --> 00:31:10,359
billing as a Swami or a monk I think

731
00:31:15,989 --> 00:31:13,599
that we'd probably find it we'd be

732
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:15,999
disappointed and I guess where I really

733
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:17,409
want to go with that Steve is kind of

734
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:18,940
again I call these level three

735
00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:21,609
discussions like I get that and everyone

736
00:31:27,299 --> 00:31:24,279
gets caught up on both sides of that one

737
00:31:29,129 --> 00:31:27,309
day T or didn't he and then second what

738
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:29,139
does that mean that he did oh he's a

739
00:31:37,649 --> 00:31:33,179
despicable person I'm interested in

740
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:37,659
level 3 which is what does that say what

741
00:31:44,430 --> 00:31:40,690
does that tell you about the ultimate

742
00:31:47,419 --> 00:31:44,440
nature of spirituality because Steve

743
00:31:52,409 --> 00:31:47,429
first of all we gotta let people into

744
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:52,419
your world in that you saw this guy this

745
00:32:02,969 --> 00:31:58,690
man do amazing things both to you with a

746
00:32:05,009 --> 00:32:02,979
look with a touch with a voice amazing

747
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:05,019
things and not just your experience

748
00:32:10,289 --> 00:32:07,929
where you're kind of hallucinating or

749
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:10,299
making it up in your mind hundreds or

750
00:32:14,639 --> 00:32:12,849
thousands of other people as well so

751
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:14,649
there was some power there's some force

752
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:17,320
there and then we have to relate that

753
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:20,679
back to you know the individual and then

754
00:32:26,999 --> 00:32:23,820
add to that you have all these other

755
00:32:29,549 --> 00:32:27,009
experiences with other amazing people

756
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:29,559
that further confirm that it wasn't just

757
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:33,700
this guy that but there is this yeah so

758
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:35,740
so let's dive into that what does this

759
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:38,220
tell us about the nature of spirituality

760
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:42,850
well I think part of it is how we define

761
00:32:45,869 --> 00:32:43,690
enlightenment

762
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:45,879
most people say my guru is in the

763
00:32:49,529 --> 00:32:48,129
highest state of enlightenment and again

764
00:32:51,779 --> 00:32:49,539
as at the very beginning I said I could

765
00:32:53,489 --> 00:32:51,789
never be qualified to say that other

766
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:53,499
than my personal intuitions from

767
00:32:59,039 --> 00:32:56,200
interacting with presumably several

768
00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:59,049
enlightened masters but I don't define

769
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,940
enlightenment as a person who is a

770
00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:03,039
perfect human being that's a definition

771
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:06,220
that I don't subscribe to and that's

772
00:33:13,619 --> 00:33:11,230
really softened my ability to handle

773
00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:13,629
some of these bits of information that

774
00:33:18,419 --> 00:33:15,700
come my way I think that perfection

775
00:33:20,580 --> 00:33:18,429
comes later in the game and we can talk

776
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:20,590
about that or not but I do believe that

777
00:33:25,529 --> 00:33:22,690
the grooves and masters and fully

778
00:33:27,419 --> 00:33:25,539
enlightened masters can and and do from

779
00:33:30,379 --> 00:33:27,429
time to time make mistakes and maybe big

780
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:30,389
mistakes so in the end I it's my

781
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,769
personal philosophy that I have to look

782
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:35,919
to my own inner guide first and foremost

783
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,830
and to whatever extent someone from the

784
00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:40,840
outside whether it's Rick or you or a

785
00:33:46,109 --> 00:33:43,509
friend or my wife or or our mentor or a

786
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:46,119
guru whatever they recommend to me if it

787
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:49,049
makes sense then I adopt it but my inner

788
00:33:56,369 --> 00:33:52,840
smile Scott my inner measure of things

789
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,379
still becomes my primary guru I got that

790
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,200
let me approach this from another angle

791
00:34:05,549 --> 00:34:01,440
because in the email you wrote to me

792
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:05,559
which maybe will jump us into these

793
00:34:09,659 --> 00:34:07,450
amazing experiences that you have

794
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,669
because I feel like we're still nibbling

795
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,159
on the outside you write Tibetan Lamas

796
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,560
voluntarily locked themselves into

797
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:17,440
lightless underground cells for up to

798
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:19,000
three years this is what you've

799
00:34:24,359 --> 00:34:21,460
discovered from a guy who's been there

800
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,369
been to India have met with these people

801
00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:27,760
have enough of a credibility in terms of

802
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:30,099
what you've done and your own spiritual

803
00:34:34,169 --> 00:34:31,929
journey to talk to these people on this

804
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:34,179
level and to learn this stuff I'm

805
00:34:39,379 --> 00:34:36,750
returning to your email this will

806
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:39,389
drive the average person insane but the

807
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,820
purpose of the incarceration is among

808
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:44,220
other things to develop the ability to

809
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:47,580
soul travel once the Lama learns to

810
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:49,080
leave the body at will he can travel

811
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:51,510
throughout the cosmos

812
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:54,330
his physical incarnation is no longer a

813
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:57,570
limitation I have been taught these

814
00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:01,020
methods and used them and will leave it

815
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,550
right there is a bit of a cliffhanger to

816
00:35:07,820 --> 00:35:05,040
talk about later but do you see where

817
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:07,830
I'm going now here is a technique that

818
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:10,410
whether you're a scoundrel well we don't

819
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:12,150
know because there's the Yama's and the

820
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:14,670
jnanis but it isn't saying you have to

821
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,950
meet these other moral criteria it says

822
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:19,050
hey if you do some kind of sensory

823
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:21,510
deprivation thing if you do some kind of

824
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:23,720
breathing thing some kind of meditation

825
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:27,420
tennis related kind of thing you can

826
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,170
leave your body and travel and so let's

827
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:33,900
talk about what that means in terms of

828
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:36,930
we said that reality is maybe more

829
00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:38,460
flexible than we think

830
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:41,070
absolutely the next step would be saying

831
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:44,730
maybe these extended consciousness

832
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:49,260
realms are more flexible than we think

833
00:35:57,020 --> 00:35:52,740
and then the third part is is there a

834
00:36:00,860 --> 00:35:57,030
spiritual reality that stands apart from

835
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:00,870
that or is it all just extended

836
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:05,490
consciousness well one of the beautiful

837
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,930
things that Mara she taught me I

838
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:08,460
remember way way back

839
00:36:12,350 --> 00:36:10,590
he said now I'm giving you this

840
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,360
technique that can take you all the way

841
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:14,820
to the goal which would he described as

842
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:16,830
cosmic consciousness enlightenment he

843
00:36:21,730 --> 00:36:19,410
said but capture the fort don't go after

844
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,740
the gold mines if you capture the fort

845
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:24,000
enlightenment everything in the

846
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:25,800
perimeter around you will be yours

847
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,570
automatically all the gold buy and

848
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:29,040
silver mines diamond mines they're all

849
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:31,650
yours and he was referencing that a

850
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:34,370
diamond mine is say the ability to

851
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:37,950
teleport a gold mine might be the

852
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:40,170
ability to by locate all these super

853
00:36:45,050 --> 00:36:41,910
normal powers that you know sometimes we

854
00:36:50,609 --> 00:36:45,060
see in the superhero movies in the

855
00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:50,619
theater so we have that as a baseline

856
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:53,829
when I got to the Himalayas I'll just

857
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:55,390
tell you one little story I met this

858
00:37:00,749 --> 00:36:57,910
fellow named Maharaj and Maharaja I've

859
00:37:03,029 --> 00:37:00,759
been living up there for decades summer

860
00:37:04,529 --> 00:37:03,039
and winter and he didn't speak any

861
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:04,539
English but I was talking to him through

862
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:06,430
his disciple who was translating he

863
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:09,130
because he had perfect English and I

864
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:11,230
wanted to get an idea where Maharaja's

865
00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:13,690
consciousness was that so I said Maharaj

866
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,359
if you don't mind what do you do at

867
00:37:21,029 --> 00:37:19,119
night when you're asleep and I had a

868
00:37:21,509 --> 00:37:21,039
reason for that because I I was aware of

869
00:37:23,759 --> 00:37:21,519
that

870
00:37:26,099 --> 00:37:23,769
Yogi's sleep might be different than

871
00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:26,109
your sleep or my sleep where we're just

872
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:30,069
sawing wood so he looked up to the sky

873
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:32,140
was you know in the morning he looked up

874
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:34,450
this guy employed and he said through

875
00:37:39,569 --> 00:37:37,089
translator he said at night during my

876
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:39,579
yogic sleep I go to that planet and I go

877
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:41,950
to Jupiter I go to Mars I go to the moon

878
00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:45,160
I travel and that made perfect sense to

879
00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:48,369
me because I had had some of those kind

880
00:37:53,549 --> 00:37:51,400
of experiences myself and that to me was

881
00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:53,559
an innocent confirmation that he may

882
00:37:57,059 --> 00:37:55,660
have been just putting me on who knows

883
00:37:59,220 --> 00:37:57,069
he may have been counterfeit but I

884
00:38:00,420 --> 00:37:59,230
didn't have any there was no agenda I

885
00:38:02,009 --> 00:38:00,430
wasn't gonna give him a hundred dollars

886
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:02,019
for talking to me we were just talking

887
00:38:06,809 --> 00:38:03,880
as two people actually were pretty much

888
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:06,819
strangers at that point so that was my

889
00:38:14,279 --> 00:38:10,089
first conversation with somebody who had

890
00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:14,289
quote gone out of the body now since

891
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:16,420
that time that's 20 years ago I've had a

892
00:38:20,999 --> 00:38:18,730
lot of experience that we could qualify

893
00:38:22,529 --> 00:38:21,009
as out of the body and some people have

894
00:38:24,779 --> 00:38:22,539
written about those experience as a

895
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:24,789
result of near-death accidents

896
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:26,650
automobile accident illness there's been

897
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:28,380
bestsellers written by people who have

898
00:38:34,650 --> 00:38:31,630
thought they died and come back as I

899
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:34,660
began to meet Tibetans some of the lamas

900
00:38:39,930 --> 00:38:37,150
up there this is an area called Ladakh

901
00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:39,940
it's actually 100 is a pure Tibetan

902
00:38:44,370 --> 00:38:42,940
culture than Tibet because the what the

903
00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:44,380
Chinese have done to Tibet but they

904
00:38:47,819 --> 00:38:46,029
haven't been get able to get into the

905
00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:47,829
Ladakh because it's within the Indian

906
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:50,319
borders so it's been saved preserved and

907
00:38:56,309 --> 00:38:53,710
it's it's its integrity so we spent some

908
00:38:58,259 --> 00:38:56,319
time at the some of the monasteries up

909
00:39:00,569 --> 00:38:58,269
there and you mentioned that there are

910
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:00,579
these underground cells where they don't

911
00:39:03,509 --> 00:39:01,930
only lock you in there they have a

912
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:03,519
little hole where you get one meal a day

913
00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:04,630
but they cement

914
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,630
you in now you you're not no one's

915
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:09,760
forced to do that but you go in there if

916
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:11,350
you want to if you feel like you're

917
00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:13,090
ready for it and you go in there and you

918
00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:17,320
stay in a lightless cubicle for three

919
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:19,180
years you start out doing it three days

920
00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:20,710
then you do three weeks then you do

921
00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:22,780
three months and then if all that goes

922
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:25,660
according to your satisfaction as the

923
00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:28,500
Lama you may commit to three years now

924
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:31,270
there's nothing to do in an 8x8 cubicle

925
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:33,100
with no light and one meal a day right

926
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:35,350
so you're gonna go stark raving mad if

927
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:36,850
you're just sitting in there maybe if

928
00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:37,960
you're a good meditator you're gonna

929
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:42,280
really face your demons but as I was

930
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:44,740
told these guys do this because it

931
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:46,570
helped they're given a technique and

932
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,180
taught how to how to do it they learn to

933
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:52,000
use their quote light body and they they

934
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:53,920
travel and they travel and they're

935
00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:55,390
probably they might be having a better

936
00:40:00,060 --> 00:39:58,030
time in that cell then we are traveling

937
00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:00,070
the world in airplanes because they they

938
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:01,990
move through the universe through as

939
00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:04,660
they this is using their terms as easily

940
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:07,840
as we move around in a car easier or in

941
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:10,480
an airplane and if they didn't have that

942
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,130
ability I think they probably most of

943
00:40:17,340 --> 00:40:14,800
them would be completely bonkers within

944
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:17,350
a week so it sort of pushes the issue

945
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:20,320
that the this idea of flexibility of

946
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:22,120
reality flexibility of consciousness

947
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:25,390
they are sort of forced to make that

948
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:28,630
leap of disconnecting the binding

949
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:30,930
influence between the soul and the body

950
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:34,060
now when they travel and when I've

951
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:35,980
traveled these were not techniques I

952
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:37,090
want to make clear that I learned from

953
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:40,090
Maharshi I learned them from a saint in

954
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:41,800
the Himalayas and they in case of oh and

955
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:43,600
I maybe will get around to that he's

956
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:45,220
written about in this story this is

957
00:40:49,050 --> 00:40:47,170
great Steve I love the way you kind of

958
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:49,060
tiptoe into this stuff because you're a

959
00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:51,220
deep guy you have some amazing stories

960
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:53,140
and experiences that you could tell and

961
00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:55,390
you you make it you just kind of talked

962
00:41:00,480 --> 00:40:57,640
about traveling so tell us how you

963
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:00,490
learned to travel so about the third

964
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:03,190
third or fourth year into being in India

965
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:05,320
I it was up there at a place called

966
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:08,700
Joshi Mott this is one of the holy

967
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:11,140
pilgrimage areas of the himalaya high

968
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:14,350
Himalayas it's deep in takes about eight

969
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:16,390
hours to get there from from Rishikesh

970
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:18,520
which is four hours beyond Delhi so

971
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:20,770
it's about a 12 hour drive from the from

972
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:23,500
the capital Delhi and I was up on a

973
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:28,480
meadow when I met a very handsome

974
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:30,670
beautiful male about cooked about 25

975
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:37,450
years old Indian yogi who sat down with

976
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:39,130
me and we talked and we talked and he

977
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:40,870
asked me questions and I asked him

978
00:41:44,490 --> 00:41:43,210
questions and and I the more I had

979
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:44,500
talked to him the more I was spellbound

980
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:48,070
by his his wisdom and by his insight and

981
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:50,950
how well he seemed to know me he had

982
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:53,650
kind of a prototype typical you know

983
00:41:58,290 --> 00:41:55,960
look of you know he had white white

984
00:42:00,570 --> 00:41:58,300
robes and he had long ish shoulder

985
00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:00,580
length hair and he didn't have a ounce

986
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:02,740
of gray in him and he probably could

987
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:04,360
have been any age as far as his wisdom

988
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:06,310
and he started to instruct me he said no

989
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:08,590
you're aging I asked my said how come

990
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:09,850
you're not aging and I'm aging because

991
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,790
he kind of tipped his situation said he

992
00:42:17,010 --> 00:42:15,040
was very very old much much older than

993
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:17,020
25 years old maybe hunt maybe hundreds

994
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:17,740
of years old

995
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:19,780
and I said well I already got great hair

996
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,730
and I'm 50 years old so so what's going

997
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:23,680
on here so don't worry about that it's

998
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:25,420
just a result of a few lingering

999
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:26,890
negative thoughts that you've had in

1000
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:29,650
your life and I go oh well if aging is

1001
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:31,420
the result of negative thoughts - you

1002
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:34,330
know big trouble because I never said

1003
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:37,960
I'm no saint so we talked about that and

1004
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:40,000
he said listen here's some things I

1005
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:41,710
would like you to consider doing and he

1006
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,360
didn't it sit down and initiate me

1007
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:45,760
formally but he said I really think he

1008
00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:48,580
would enjoy doing this what he called

1009
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:50,980
circular breathing just this and you can

1010
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:52,840
do he said do it all day he said do it

1011
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:54,310
when you're at your there on the

1012
00:42:58,650 --> 00:42:56,260
telephone riding in a car sitting on a

1013
00:43:00,660 --> 00:42:58,660
plane and but conscious breathing he

1014
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:00,670
said the body can survive with just

1015
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:03,450
breathing unconsciously but when you add

1016
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:05,800
consciousness to your breathing you are

1017
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:07,870
moving very rapidly then in the

1018
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,170
direction of God because your great what

1019
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,880
your greatest connection to God is your

1020
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:14,560
breath and I thought wow this is very

1021
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:17,980
very profound and I adopted it I started

1022
00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:19,690
doing I'd do it in between points even

1023
00:43:23,970 --> 00:43:21,700
to this day on a tennis court so that's

1024
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:23,980
one thing he suggested another thing he

1025
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:26,950
suggested and I don't know if we just

1026
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:29,050
put a caveat say don't do this at home

1027
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,510
but he said listen get your mantra going

1028
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:32,400
and keep it going

1029
00:43:40,019 --> 00:43:37,180
24/7 now 24/7 means it literally that

1030
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,029
with your wake asleep or dreaming and it

1031
00:43:44,219 --> 00:43:41,920
that that takes some skill that's yoga

1032
00:43:47,999 --> 00:43:44,229
to me that's truly an advanced thing

1033
00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:48,009
because to set up you might want to call

1034
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:50,109
it autopilot but if you can set up a

1035
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:51,970
condition of your mind so that as you're

1036
00:43:56,299 --> 00:43:53,890
going through your life you have that

1037
00:43:59,660 --> 00:43:56,309
resonating in the background that's

1038
00:44:02,460 --> 00:43:59,670
fairly to my mind a fairly advanced

1039
00:44:04,769 --> 00:44:02,470
ability so those are a couple of things

1040
00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:04,779
that he that he suggested I do in a

1041
00:44:11,579 --> 00:44:07,420
third thing that Casey was suggested to

1042
00:44:13,289 --> 00:44:11,589
do was he asked me who do I love in

1043
00:44:14,789 --> 00:44:13,299
terms of divine who do I look do you

1044
00:44:17,309 --> 00:44:14,799
love Jesus that's the law is born a

1045
00:44:20,819 --> 00:44:17,319
Christian but I relate more to the Vedic

1046
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:20,829
Hindu tradition now I said okay to

1047
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:23,710
someone Krishna ROM Buddha who do you

1048
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:25,690
like I said Krishna's good Krishna's

1049
00:44:30,839 --> 00:44:28,930
good and so he said okay breathe him

1050
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:30,849
through your chest breathe him into your

1051
00:44:36,029 --> 00:44:33,910
heart merge with him whether you have a

1052
00:44:38,759 --> 00:44:36,039
picture an image of him in your mind or

1053
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:38,769
your heart but breathe that divine

1054
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,930
presence into you and do it whenever you

1055
00:44:45,269 --> 00:44:42,400
like and don't feel like you got to do

1056
00:44:47,009 --> 00:44:45,279
it every day said you've been so good at

1057
00:44:48,209 --> 00:44:47,019
meditating mark she said missus don't

1058
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:48,219
miss meditation do it twice a day and

1059
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:49,690
you've done that now for always at the

1060
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:52,660
time was thirty years so those were

1061
00:44:57,209 --> 00:44:54,460
three things that he taught me to do and

1062
00:44:59,940 --> 00:44:57,219
as we got more advanced he he gave me

1063
00:45:03,329 --> 00:44:59,950
some other instructions of how to lift

1064
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:03,339
out of my physical six foot three inch

1065
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:05,950
hundred ninety pound body and go up into

1066
00:45:13,979 --> 00:45:11,200
what we discovered was a temple on a

1067
00:45:16,289 --> 00:45:13,989
level which would be out of the body

1068
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:16,299
would be not you is no physical temple

1069
00:45:20,969 --> 00:45:18,249
equivalent here on earth but I would go

1070
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,979
up there let me interject something here

1071
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:22,960
Steve so how do you process this because

1072
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:25,569
I'm listening to this as most people are

1073
00:45:33,029 --> 00:45:27,670
and they're gone okay gotcha breathe

1074
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:33,039
good I got it love mantra got it Jesus

1075
00:45:41,579 --> 00:45:36,130
Krishna got it go to a temple this guy

1076
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,589
don't got it yeah how did you experience

1077
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:43,599
that the people are listening to this

1078
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,910
show know there are plenty

1079
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:48,480
the people out there who have done

1080
00:45:53,490 --> 00:45:51,460
astral travel in one way or another and

1081
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,500
have even come close to verifying it

1082
00:45:58,349 --> 00:45:55,359
although some people wouldn't agree with

1083
00:46:01,079 --> 00:45:58,359
the verification it's on the table okay

1084
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:01,089
first I backtracked from Omar she used

1085
00:46:05,069 --> 00:46:02,710
to tell us we don't ask for travel he's

1086
00:46:06,359 --> 00:46:05,079
a don't astral travel he said that maybe

1087
00:46:08,609 --> 00:46:06,369
was at that point in time in our

1088
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:08,619
training we weren't ready for it so I

1089
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:11,099
always use a different term for just

1090
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:13,930
because I have this lingering memory of

1091
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:17,200
Mara she's saying that is I experienced

1092
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:20,500
that it's Lightbody traveling with and

1093
00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:22,089
it just may be just semantics it may be

1094
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:23,859
exactly the same thing I can't really

1095
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:27,369
say but I could call it a soul gathering

1096
00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:30,250
aspects of myself including my unified

1097
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:31,660
chakras you know there are seven chakras

1098
00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:34,329
that's a whole tradition of the

1099
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:37,180
spiritual path as well I you know fie

1100
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:39,970
those chakras put them in one place and

1101
00:46:45,089 --> 00:46:43,359
with what amounts to an ectoplasmic it's

1102
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,099
it's something that it's like a spider

1103
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:47,680
creating it's a web it's he made itself

1104
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:51,910
manifest self-made as I come up through

1105
00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:54,609
the crown of my head and move higher

1106
00:47:02,160 --> 00:46:57,270
into this this temple of light I'm

1107
00:47:06,029 --> 00:47:02,170
moving within a bubble within a sphere

1108
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:06,039
if you will and as time went by and even

1109
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:07,660
maybe in preparation a little bit for

1110
00:47:11,549 --> 00:47:09,460
our show here and I thought okay if I'm

1111
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,559
going to talk about this it would be

1112
00:47:15,809 --> 00:47:13,839
good if I had maybe some references and

1113
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,819
in actually in the judeo-christian today

1114
00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:17,200
ik tradition and in the Egyptian

1115
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:18,849
tradition there's something called a

1116
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:21,609
merkava and I didn't never used that

1117
00:47:25,319 --> 00:47:23,650
term when I was started doing this

1118
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:25,329
practice in case you didn't call it a

1119
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:31,140
Merkabah mu r QA ba but in the Judeo

1120
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:33,730
tradition Judaic tradition it's called

1121
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:36,849
the Star of David and it amounts to a

1122
00:47:44,430 --> 00:47:39,010
chariot the translation of Merkava is

1123
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:44,440
chariot or vehicle of light and like the

1124
00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:46,569
spider who creates his own web we have

1125
00:47:51,569 --> 00:47:49,150
this ability to because consciousness

1126
00:47:54,779 --> 00:47:51,579
has this great range of flexibility we

1127
00:47:57,779 --> 00:47:54,789
can create through our intention that's

1128
00:47:59,640 --> 00:47:57,789
the key intentionality a bubble an

1129
00:48:00,120 --> 00:47:59,650
ectoplasmic bubble if you will and we

1130
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:00,130
just

1131
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:07,180
by thought and intention and so you are

1132
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:09,730
absolutely still connected to your body

1133
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:11,770
through your silver court the silver

1134
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:13,360
court I'm sure has been talked about in

1135
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:16,060
these people books that have had these

1136
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,550
near-death experiences because had the

1137
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:21,280
silver cord severed they would be they

1138
00:48:25,070 --> 00:48:22,390
would have passed they would not be

1139
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:25,080
alive as long as the silver cord is

1140
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,410
intact

1141
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:28,960
between the physical body and the soul

1142
00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:31,240
aspects that are moving wherever they're

1143
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:32,860
moving they make just go from here to

1144
00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:34,510
Chicago they may go off planet whatever

1145
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:38,620
you are quote alive but if it were to be

1146
00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:41,110
severed that would be though be it so

1147
00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:42,820
anyone who's ever written a best-seller

1148
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:44,380
about a near-death experience has not

1149
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:48,370
had the silver cord severed you know

1150
00:48:51,300 --> 00:48:49,900
I've heard various things about the

1151
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:51,310
silver cord and different people

1152
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:54,070
interpret it different ways in terms of

1153
00:48:59,820 --> 00:48:57,370
all that which is just another aspect of

1154
00:49:02,310 --> 00:48:59,830
this that we could get into is that not

1155
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:02,320
everyone agrees on these particular but

1156
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:04,690
I don't want to go there now at least to

1157
00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:06,430
me that's the no I want to stay right

1158
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:07,060
where you're at

1159
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:09,670
okay but to me that's the level to stuff

1160
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:12,550
you know is it real well yes I can prove

1161
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:15,340
it in this way in that way I take what

1162
00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:19,180
you're saying as true and and then I say

1163
00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:21,550
now Steve you're the expert I want to

1164
00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,980
talk to about this and I want to just

1165
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:25,780
kind of dive right into my thing here

1166
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:27,150
okay

1167
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:30,310
so now I'm looking at the et stuff right

1168
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:32,740
okay and one of the things I'm looking

1169
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:38,470
at is that we've tried this sensory

1170
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:41,950
deprivation thing it looks like we've

1171
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:44,980
done it in a very horrible way but just

1172
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:47,770
Whitley Strieber is the great example on

1173
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:49,840
this Whitley Strieber and I played the

1174
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:51,970
clip I'll probably inject it into this

1175
00:49:58,350 --> 00:49:55,510
show as well here's his interview on the

1176
00:50:00,000 --> 00:49:58,360
higher side chats recently excellent

1177
00:50:02,010 --> 00:50:00,010
interview that Greg did with him there

1178
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:02,020
but he said this other places in his

1179
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,790
books he remembers being a

1180
00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:05,920
seven-year-old kid in San Antonio Texas

1181
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:09,820
and being enlisted brought into this

1182
00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:13,300
program with these other children

1183
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:16,180
where they were doing exactly the kind

1184
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:18,250
of stuff that you're talking about and

1185
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:21,970
their intent was to break these people

1186
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:26,260
into this extended realm this is a

1187
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:29,110
stranger things kind of thing if you're

1188
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:30,700
familiar with the Netflix series that

1189
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:31,390
was huge

1190
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:35,200
well the parallels with the Tibetan lama

1191
00:50:40,050 --> 00:50:37,690
story that you're telling is just

1192
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:40,060
chilling and and but there's something

1193
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:42,010
that we have to really put our finger on

1194
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:44,110
here and try and get to the bottom of is

1195
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:48,130
the morality of this and the mechanics

1196
00:50:52,050 --> 00:50:50,350
of it to a certain extent these people

1197
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:52,060
are saying this is no big deal

1198
00:50:57,900 --> 00:50:55,260
this is a mechanical scientific

1199
00:51:01,050 --> 00:50:57,910
materialistic process that we can manage

1200
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:01,060
control if you're a shadow government

1201
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:04,090
kind of guy we can weaponize you know

1202
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:06,490
but that seems to be their intent yeah

1203
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:09,070
so but now we have to pull back and say

1204
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:11,410
okay to what extent are these extended

1205
00:51:17,010 --> 00:51:16,090
consciousness realms flexible and not in

1206
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:17,020
the way that we were talking about

1207
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,990
before that's question one that I think

1208
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:21,760
we've answered they are flexible you can

1209
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:24,610
enter them in different ways now where

1210
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:27,190
the hell is spirituality in this where

1211
00:51:35,220 --> 00:51:31,590
is God in this hopefully my my purpose

1212
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,230
has been served in having these

1213
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:37,680
out-of-body experiences because I have

1214
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:40,990
chosen to direct where I go to places

1215
00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:43,690
where I have received more advanced

1216
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:46,150
training a chance to be closer to

1217
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:48,580
divinity and one of the groups that I

1218
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:51,370
have been like say fortunate enough I

1219
00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:53,500
have interacted with and learn from are

1220
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,460
a group from space is not not the

1221
00:52:02,130 --> 00:51:58,720
Syrians in the Middle East but the

1222
00:52:03,450 --> 00:52:02,140
Syrians unserious be the brightest I

1223
00:52:08,940 --> 00:52:03,460
believe it's the brightest star in the

1224
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:08,950
night sky and these I want to step back

1225
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:10,600
and say I've never ever been abducted

1226
00:52:16,830 --> 00:52:14,370
I've never been on a UFO these are not

1227
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:16,840
things where I've taken my physical body

1228
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,150
to have that experience but they're very

1229
00:52:25,050 --> 00:52:21,480
real for me from the point of view of

1230
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:25,060
using my light body for travel in a

1231
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:27,410
spiritual manner so

1232
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:29,750
if we are comfortable with the premise

1233
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:31,880
that the flexibility of reality and the

1234
00:52:35,860 --> 00:52:33,380
flexibility of consciousness is

1235
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:35,870
limitless then we have that ability to

1236
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:37,730
move inter-dimensionally like we I have

1237
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:40,580
experienced time travel into the into

1238
00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:43,310
the past which I felt less safe with

1239
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,360
then spatial travel don't know if I need

1240
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:49,280
to elaborate on why but if you mess up

1241
00:52:55,390 --> 00:52:52,790
in the timeline you might not be happy

1242
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,400
with where you end up but in in the kind

1243
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:57,200
of travel I've done where I interacted

1244
00:53:02,260 --> 00:52:59,200
with the Syrians I was very comfortable

1245
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:02,270
so we could talk about their physical

1246
00:53:06,190 --> 00:53:04,010
description what they taught me what

1247
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:06,200
would you rather have me focus on here

1248
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:08,420
jump right into it I think you know this

1249
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,070
is this is really really challenging

1250
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:12,800
stuff I like the way you said you know

1251
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:15,310
let's step back and kind of go through

1252
00:53:20,770 --> 00:53:18,710
our knowns at this point if we're

1253
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:20,780
willing to go there you know our knowns

1254
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:23,630
is that there is this flexibility to

1255
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:25,400
reality and you can hit the tennis ball

1256
00:53:30,190 --> 00:53:27,890
and Michael Jordan can see the print the

1257
00:53:32,890 --> 00:53:30,200
hoop is as big as the moon you know so

1258
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:32,900
that's real and that's and then we take

1259
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,270
you know the again started with

1260
00:53:39,610 --> 00:53:37,040
parapsychology and we say what's pretty

1261
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:39,620
sentiment say it's as time isn't really

1262
00:53:43,660 --> 00:53:41,720
what we think it is and then I got my

1263
00:53:46,810 --> 00:53:43,670
buddy you know dr. Andy Paquette who's

1264
00:53:48,430 --> 00:53:46,820
been on the show 5000 precognitive

1265
00:53:50,010 --> 00:53:48,440
dreams that he's catalogued and

1266
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:50,020
published peer-reviewed papers on

1267
00:53:56,350 --> 00:53:53,480
precognition folks blows our idea of

1268
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,360
time so that's on the table and then

1269
00:54:00,820 --> 00:53:58,880
this astral travel traveling outside of

1270
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:00,830
your body people being able to see and

1271
00:54:05,410 --> 00:54:02,540
report things back and their truth

1272
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:05,420
that's all on the table yeah alex the

1273
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:08,020
tibetan lamas don't think twice about

1274
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:10,130
traveling not just the ones are sitting

1275
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:11,900
there at cubical for three years they

1276
00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:17,540
they say listen we we all do but sleep

1277
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,430
we don't wake up knowing we've done it

1278
00:54:23,170 --> 00:54:21,440
some do some people say hey I've visited

1279
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:23,180
so and so I went to this place with that

1280
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:24,980
and have some sense that it was real but

1281
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:26,570
other people say it's just too fuzzy and

1282
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:27,680
I can't go there and I don't believe

1283
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:29,930
that that's possible and in a sense when

1284
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:31,490
they say I don't believe that's possible

1285
00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:33,710
they've just shut the door on it so that

1286
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:35,780
that's another thing about infinite

1287
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:37,970
flexibility of consciousness you are the

1288
00:54:42,019 --> 00:54:40,650
freewill decider and if you say I like

1289
00:54:45,859 --> 00:54:42,029
that potentially have this experience

1290
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,869
then you do have that potential so so

1291
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:47,460
with that we've laid the foundation

1292
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:49,170
where I feel comfortable we can start

1293
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,059
talking about Syrians from another

1294
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:53,819
planet that you've astral traveled to

1295
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:56,490
and you're willing to say hey III think

1296
00:55:01,940 --> 00:54:58,920
you know that that's real but the shadow

1297
00:55:03,529 --> 00:55:01,950
government has tried to present I don't

1298
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:03,539
know what terms people understand it as

1299
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:05,730
the Cabal the the evil guys the people

1300
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:08,220
with the negative agendas they've tried

1301
00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:12,089
to feed us the concept that life outside

1302
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:14,849
planet Earth either one doesn't exist at

1303
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,119
all or if it does it's evil and it's

1304
00:55:23,299 --> 00:55:20,930
going to hurt us or harm us or

1305
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:23,309
annihilate us or create catastrophic

1306
00:55:28,779 --> 00:55:26,190
condition I couldn't say anything that

1307
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:28,789
is further from the truth the the

1308
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,529
extraterrestrial souls that I met were

1309
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,960
this thing if you would want to use an

1310
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:35,760
analogy go to a playground go to that

1311
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:38,130
playground in Del Mar there right on the

1312
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,740
the grassy area and just on a Saturday

1313
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:43,500
and watch 10 or 12 children between ages

1314
00:55:48,859 --> 00:55:46,980
of 6 and 10 having fun that was my

1315
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:48,869
experience with these beings they were

1316
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:52,859
so unbelievably kind and loving and

1317
00:55:59,170 --> 00:55:56,520
innocent a little ball most frail but

1318
00:56:03,430 --> 00:55:59,180
very DOE like in their eyes large

1319
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,440
peaceful innocent eyes but like children

1320
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:05,940
that's the physical side and the

1321
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:07,410
personality but in terms of the

1322
00:56:11,329 --> 00:56:09,150
consciousness side I had the impression

1323
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:11,339
that they could incinerate me in the

1324
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:12,089
blink of an eye

1325
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:13,980
they would never do that but they had

1326
00:56:20,299 --> 00:56:16,710
the power to do anything because they

1327
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:20,309
had the positive intent behind it they

1328
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,740
had the power of the creator in their in

1329
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:25,440
their consciousness because they had the

1330
00:56:32,029 --> 00:56:29,579
purity to not misuse it so in my

1331
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,039
interactions were on multiple occasions

1332
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:35,160
and they taught me a lot of things about

1333
00:56:42,019 --> 00:56:38,609
myself and about interesting comments

1334
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:42,029
about our planet which I had to think

1335
00:56:47,089 --> 00:56:44,130
about and think about quite a bit before

1336
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:47,099
I could really digest I said I said to

1337
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:50,210
them okay it seems to me that a lot of

1338
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,490
extraterrestrial beings from different

1339
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:54,420
civilizations

1340
00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:56,250
have an interest in earth and they said

1341
00:57:01,520 --> 00:56:59,240
that is true the majority of those

1342
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:01,530
organizations those individuals in those

1343
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:05,370
societies civilizations have a very

1344
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:08,310
positive interest in the planet there

1345
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:09,990
are some who have a negative agenda

1346
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:12,120
would like to continue what they're

1347
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:16,130
doing controlling the scenario that the

1348
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:19,500
situation here but they said to me that

1349
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:24,000
what the earth is moving towards soon

1350
00:57:27,790 --> 00:57:25,530
but they wouldn't put a timeline they

1351
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:27,800
said is it a radical and major

1352
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:30,780
transformation for our planet and that

1353
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:32,760
right now is the biggest game in the

1354
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,210
universe it has the attention of many

1355
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:38,400
many civilizations in our galaxy and

1356
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:41,970
beyond because on earth and this is the

1357
00:57:48,970 --> 00:57:45,090
mind-blower to me they said on earth you

1358
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:48,980
have been blessed with the presence of

1359
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:52,050
divinity in a human form from time to

1360
00:57:56,930 --> 00:57:54,570
time whether it was Buddha or whether it

1361
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:56,940
was Krishna or whether it was ROM or

1362
00:58:03,320 --> 00:57:59,160
whether it was Jesus or whoever he said

1363
00:58:07,370 --> 00:58:03,330
you have had God has taken individual

1364
00:58:10,310 --> 00:58:07,380
personalized body on earth at various

1365
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:10,320
times and that hasn't happened in other

1366
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:13,080
parts of the universe and I said wait a

1367
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:16,500
min for me it's the center of the

1368
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:19,230
universe thing not it's okay

1369
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:21,420
center of the universe though I agree

1370
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:25,890
with you I don't think that we would be

1371
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:27,270
fair to say that we it was too

1372
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:30,410
egocentric to make such a comment but I

1373
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:33,510
said I took the sceptical point of view

1374
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:35,250
on this I said we'll wait a minute

1375
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:38,130
if I'm not correct you are light-years

1376
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,170
beyond my state of consciousness and

1377
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:42,000
they smiled and you know and I think

1378
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:43,710
they they didn't deny that they may be

1379
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:46,050
millions of years past so I said okay

1380
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:48,870
how is it that our lowly ignorant planet

1381
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,730
has had divinity walking on it and

1382
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:53,520
you're so far ahead of me you know so

1383
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,840
far ahead of any human being that I

1384
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,040
could tell that you know they had all

1385
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:58,680
the super normal powers they they

1386
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:00,900
demonstrated some for me they you know

1387
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:02,490
the ability to shape-shift the ability

1388
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:05,370
to to do all the things we they told me

1389
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:07,170
they don't even use you know verbal

1390
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,920
language very

1391
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,960
often is that the universal language of

1392
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,000
telepathy which they and they've said

1393
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:14,579
that your some of your religious

1394
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:16,170
traditions believe that your planet is

1395
00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:17,670
only 6,000 years old

1396
00:59:20,750 --> 00:59:19,559
you know biblical scholars will well you

1397
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,760
know if they're purists they'll say that

1398
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:22,380
and they say they laugh they said you

1399
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:27,480
know you have had at previous epochs you

1400
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:31,680
have had human life as you're seeing it

1401
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:33,720
as we live it with the powers and the

1402
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:35,160
abilities that we have and you just

1403
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,599
don't have it in your records it's

1404
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,760
either been erased or forgotten but your

1405
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:41,160
planet is billions of years old and if

1406
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:43,650
you look at the Vedic references Sat

1407
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,020
Yuga and different yoga's in the in the

1408
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:48,240
Hindu Vedic tradition you will find that

1409
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:50,790
in and you'll find references the fact

1410
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:52,410
that human beings live for tens of

1411
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:54,750
thousands of years insight you know

1412
01:00:01,789 --> 00:59:58,410
that's you know gonna be quite a handful

1413
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,799
for people to to digest but those are a

1414
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:03,180
few of the comments they made and they

1415
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,849
said we have 17 planets here one of them

1416
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:08,099
is called archives and we'll take you to

1417
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:09,569
Planet archive and the archive was

1418
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:13,710
basically this huge library of crystals

1419
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:16,410
and the crystals were the keepers of all

1420
01:00:19,730 --> 01:00:17,970
this information so we have basically

1421
01:00:22,059 --> 01:00:19,740
the Sirians that we have basically all

1422
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:22,069
the information in the Milky Way galaxy

1423
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:24,930
here with us not the universe but within

1424
01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,910
our galaxy and we have all of your Vedic

1425
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:28,920
records we have all of your scriptural

1426
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,750
records you on earth don't even have

1427
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,000
that because there have been agendas

1428
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:35,760
which have taken it away have destroyed

1429
01:00:40,130 --> 01:00:37,890
it so but we're preserving it for the

1430
01:00:43,309 --> 01:00:40,140
time and place when you are ready for it

1431
01:00:46,099 --> 01:00:43,319
so they were blowing me away with that

1432
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:46,109
we went to that that planet archive we

1433
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:50,579
went to hospital these are the kind of

1434
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:52,650
English translations for there there are

1435
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:55,940
17 planets which are gravitationally

1436
01:01:02,839 --> 01:01:00,000
placed around the Sun and the hospital

1437
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:02,849
is primarily spiritual healing and I

1438
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:04,170
could tell you the experience I had

1439
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:06,809
there I had this lifelong pain in my

1440
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:09,960
neck and which they clarified for me was

1441
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:11,819
the result of dying and as a gladiator

1442
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:14,579
sometime back in Roman times with a bite

1443
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:17,190
of a lion on the neck and they said

1444
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:18,480
here's how we're going to heal that

1445
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:20,620
we're going to show you how to

1446
01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:24,410
reference a past incarnation of yourself

1447
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:26,300
where your neck was perfectly fine and

1448
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:28,220
you're going to just you're not going to

1449
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:29,930
take everything from that in past life

1450
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:32,030
but you're going to take the information

1451
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:34,730
the DNA the knowledge of a perfectly

1452
01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:37,430
healthy neck from that previous life and

1453
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:39,230
you're going to just bring it with your

1454
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:41,240
consciousness into your current

1455
01:01:47,050 --> 01:01:44,210
situation and that itself over time will

1456
01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:47,060
heal it it worked now I don't know if I

1457
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,980
have I mean I had their help to do it it

1458
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:51,440
worked out my neck has been perfectly

1459
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:53,510
normal but it was in a law I was in a

1460
01:02:00,550 --> 01:01:55,610
lot of pain back in the back in the day

1461
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:00,560
thirty years ago so those are what the

1462
01:02:03,790 --> 01:02:02,210
kinds of things they were doing on the

1463
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:03,800
planet called Hospital and by the way

1464
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:05,960
the planet Hospital is open to anyone in

1465
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:09,140
our interstellar family that wants to

1466
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:12,470
come and have that kind of care so these

1467
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:14,570
things are stretching the imagination I

1468
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:18,470
can imagine they are put on your

1469
01:02:25,180 --> 01:02:22,130
skeptical cap here because you you are

1470
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:25,190
very much of a down-to-earth guy in a

1471
01:02:28,660 --> 01:02:26,480
lot of ways that we talked about and

1472
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:28,670
that's why we kind of approach this you

1473
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:31,670
know you're a tennis coach MBA aid you

1474
01:02:37,540 --> 01:02:35,170
work with some very high-level Indian

1475
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:37,550
businesspeople and gain their respect

1476
01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:41,300
because you have all your faculties and

1477
01:02:46,750 --> 01:02:43,100
you're very good at playing the

1478
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:46,760
consensus reality game so put on your

1479
01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:50,690
skeptical cap and what troubles you most

1480
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:54,020
about that story what troubles you most

1481
01:03:02,490 --> 01:02:59,030
about believing that the whole Syrian

1482
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:02,500
experience yes um

1483
01:03:10,420 --> 01:03:07,430
the disbelief that that there look

1484
01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:10,430
because that they were looking to us in

1485
01:03:15,130 --> 01:03:13,640
any way because because I said well

1486
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:15,140
where's what's your mantra

1487
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:16,700
do you have mantra said no no we've just

1488
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:18,490
bowed if you don't mind we're just gonna

1489
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,140
snip slip into your mind we're gonna

1490
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:22,640
just use your mantra is that okay so

1491
01:03:25,570 --> 01:03:23,990
you're welcome they said if you're

1492
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,580
perfect was but why don't you have a

1493
01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:27,440
mantra said we haven't had that

1494
01:03:32,350 --> 01:03:29,720
knowledge I said how could you have

1495
01:03:34,289 --> 01:03:32,360
risen to the state of your exalted

1496
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,299
because they are honestly we're next

1497
01:03:40,349 --> 01:03:37,119
really highly evolved state of life and

1498
01:03:41,699 --> 01:03:40,359
bliss I think just mind-boggling how

1499
01:03:43,499 --> 01:03:41,709
could you not have had a mantra so well

1500
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,509
that was not part of our we don't didn't

1501
01:03:47,339 --> 01:03:45,039
have that training that they went back

1502
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:47,349
to this thing that's the Earth's Dharma

1503
01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:49,209
that is part of what's going on on earth

1504
01:03:54,179 --> 01:03:51,640
and she said by the way you know that's

1505
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:54,189
going to be exported from Earth all

1506
01:04:00,479 --> 01:03:57,670
through the galaxy over time I'm that's

1507
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:00,489
where my my boundary hit and I said how

1508
01:04:05,819 --> 01:04:02,410
is it work that way that you can be so

1509
01:04:08,099 --> 01:04:05,829
far advanced from our civilization and

1510
01:04:10,259 --> 01:04:08,109
be looking to us for anything we're we

1511
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,269
should be looking to you and they just

1512
01:04:16,410 --> 01:04:12,640
smile very innocently like it may be a

1513
01:04:19,499 --> 01:04:16,420
child and said that's gonna be a big big

1514
01:04:21,390 --> 01:04:19,509
thing when when planet Earth matures

1515
01:04:23,729 --> 01:04:21,400
enough to share what they are left with

1516
01:04:25,289 --> 01:04:23,739
every apparently every part of the

1517
01:04:28,919 --> 01:04:25,299
universe has its own blessing and that's

1518
01:04:30,209 --> 01:04:28,929
our unique niche and but I've struggled

1519
01:04:32,849 --> 01:04:30,219
with that and I've thought a lot about

1520
01:04:35,999 --> 01:04:32,859
it and I don't know that I've come to a

1521
01:04:40,249 --> 01:04:36,009
conclusion because I just interacting if

1522
01:04:42,749 --> 01:04:40,259
those beings was such a mind-blower that

1523
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:42,759
it seems shocking that they would look

1524
01:04:48,329 --> 01:04:45,640
to me or anyone to you for anything that

1525
01:04:50,429 --> 01:04:48,339
they seemed soaked they I'll give you

1526
01:04:52,169 --> 01:04:50,439
another example they have a out of the

1527
01:04:54,660 --> 01:04:52,179
17 planets they have a planet called

1528
01:04:57,089 --> 01:04:54,670
creation we don't mean creating the

1529
01:05:00,419 --> 01:04:57,099
universe kind of creation but whatever

1530
01:05:04,439 --> 01:05:00,429
they need in their culture they manifest

1531
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:04,449
from the lifestream from primordial

1532
01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:07,209
matter what they need and they said one

1533
01:05:12,989 --> 01:05:09,999
day you mark my words one day when

1534
01:05:16,349 --> 01:05:12,999
you're bad people are removed from power

1535
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:16,359
in on earth we will give as gifts to you

1536
01:05:22,289 --> 01:05:20,140
cubes and these cubes will go into every

1537
01:05:24,029 --> 01:05:22,299
home and these cubes will create

1538
01:05:27,329 --> 01:05:24,039
whatever ideal temperature you want

1539
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,339
without any cost whatsoever but until

1540
01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:30,160
the money mongers are removed they would

1541
01:05:33,959 --> 01:05:32,229
immediately co-opt it and try to you

1542
01:05:35,219 --> 01:05:33,969
know make a big profit out of it but we

1543
01:05:37,289 --> 01:05:35,229
will that'll be that's something that

1544
01:05:40,049 --> 01:05:37,299
they've Manifest know how to manifest

1545
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:40,059
they have replicators they don't they do

1546
01:05:45,299 --> 01:05:41,920
have a planet for farming but they can

1547
01:05:46,979 --> 01:05:45,309
they can make instantly out of the field

1548
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:46,989
of the consciousness what they want for

1549
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:47,650
first

1550
01:05:51,780 --> 01:05:49,930
and usually they eat fruit nuts that's

1551
01:05:56,010 --> 01:05:51,790
where it starts to break down for me

1552
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,020
okay is a couple ways one is we just

1553
01:06:01,290 --> 01:05:59,350
said time is flexible and yet art and

1554
01:06:03,630 --> 01:06:01,300
reality is flexible in all these ways

1555
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:03,640
and they're confirming that and yet they

1556
01:06:09,030 --> 01:06:06,940
seemed bound to certain very

1557
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:09,040
materialistic sounding things you know

1558
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:10,720
well we have to go to this planet for

1559
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:12,850
this we have to store this in a crystal

1560
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:16,570
I mean it sounds so dorky for someone

1561
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:18,610
who's traveled outside of their body to

1562
01:06:21,810 --> 01:06:20,350
another planet why do we have to do that

1563
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:21,820
why do we have to concern ourselves with

1564
01:06:26,430 --> 01:06:24,250
time why do we have to worry about the

1565
01:06:29,130 --> 01:06:26,440
good people and the bad people where is

1566
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:29,140
God in all this I mean are we just in

1567
01:06:35,250 --> 01:06:32,910
enough so one is is resolving those

1568
01:06:37,050 --> 01:06:35,260
realities so let's just start there I

1569
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:37,060
won't go ahead well you play you know

1570
01:06:41,070 --> 01:06:39,490
some of us some of it might be a

1571
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:41,080
concession to just kind of play the

1572
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:44,050
stupid game because we got this humanoid

1573
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:46,650
this this guy me and they were trying to

1574
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:48,970
share this in the way that he can relate

1575
01:06:54,530 --> 01:06:53,230
to I'm only speculating that okay I do

1576
01:06:56,790 --> 01:06:54,540
know that they don't

1577
01:06:58,410 --> 01:06:56,800
that's quite a little more cosmic in

1578
01:06:59,940 --> 01:06:58,420
nature that when we talked about their

1579
01:07:02,070 --> 01:06:59,950
form of government says we have no

1580
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:02,080
government we have a consensus when we

1581
01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:04,450
need to make a decision we just have

1582
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:07,120
everyone put their individual

1583
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:08,860
consciousness into the collective pool

1584
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:12,520
and out of that unity of our awarenesses

1585
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:15,550
we come automatically come up with

1586
01:07:20,430 --> 01:07:18,010
what's right for our our group of beings

1587
01:07:24,090 --> 01:07:20,440
and so that was another planet

1588
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:24,100
government but again whether they're

1589
01:07:27,390 --> 01:07:26,020
playing the game because they're part of

1590
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,400
creation and they want to have these

1591
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:29,200
kind of physical kind of constructs I

1592
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:30,910
never asked them those questions you you

1593
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:31,870
should have been there there you could

1594
01:07:36,750 --> 01:07:33,880
have asked them much better questions

1595
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:36,760
and then then that I'm doing no not at

1596
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,850
all I mean I'm just like one of the

1597
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:41,680
things that challenges me with back to

1598
01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:43,330
the near-death experience if I can

1599
01:07:49,110 --> 01:07:47,230
ground it there sure is the nice thing

1600
01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:49,120
about the near-death experience is that

1601
01:07:53,550 --> 01:07:51,340
these people are dead it's some people

1602
01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:53,560
argue that say well they're not really

1603
01:07:58,740 --> 01:07:56,680
dead it's like yeah they don't longer

1604
01:08:01,009 --> 01:07:58,750
have a functioning brain that we have

1605
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:01,019
under any understanding from our

1606
01:08:06,709 --> 01:08:03,569
biological way how that could generate

1607
01:08:08,449 --> 01:08:06,719
sustained consciousness slash memories

1608
01:08:11,209 --> 01:08:08,459
whatever you want to call it and people

1609
01:08:13,009 --> 01:08:11,219
who aren't there yet are not listen I'm

1610
01:08:16,549 --> 01:08:13,019
not still listening to this interview

1611
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:16,559
but we all know that data is is there

1612
01:08:23,299 --> 01:08:20,190
but once we step beyond that then we get

1613
01:08:24,259 --> 01:08:23,309
these stories Steve that are all over

1614
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:24,269
the place we have people who are

1615
01:08:29,209 --> 01:08:25,980
encountering Jesus people who are

1616
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:29,219
encountering light beings gotcha so it

1617
01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:32,219
does seem that the flexibility of this

1618
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,909
extended realm makes it hard to pin all

1619
01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:38,400
this stuff down the part that really

1620
01:08:44,299 --> 01:08:41,549
challenges me are two things one is we

1621
01:08:46,539 --> 01:08:44,309
are doing some of this evil there's

1622
01:08:49,069 --> 01:08:46,549
just no question about it

1623
01:08:52,669 --> 01:08:49,079
MKULTRA and what Whitley Strieber is

1624
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:52,679
talking about they are actively actively

1625
01:08:58,579 --> 01:08:55,289
trying to access these realms and that

1626
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,589
adds a level of reality to it yes anyone

1627
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:00,719
who isn't you know thinking they can

1628
01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:03,089
just dismiss this look out because

1629
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,609
they're trying to weaponize this in a

1630
01:09:08,959 --> 01:09:07,500
way and yes I'd like to understand what

1631
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:08,969
the implications of that are and that

1632
01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:10,409
always leads me back to the same thing

1633
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:14,219
of counterfeited spirituality is there a

1634
01:09:21,049 --> 01:09:17,849
real spirituality does God kind of play

1635
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:21,059
at a different level than all this

1636
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:23,400
you know and when you are sat there to

1637
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:27,170
judge your life be it in an alien ET

1638
01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:30,690
incarnation or a human incarnation you

1639
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,239
will as this is what I take away from

1640
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,000
the near-death experience you will be

1641
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:38,819
judged for everything that you've done

1642
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:42,329
but you your soul will be the judge and

1643
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:45,420
it will be among a bunch of loving

1644
01:09:49,999 --> 01:09:48,150
completely supportive other Souls and

1645
01:09:52,609 --> 01:09:50,009
you'll probably judge yourself a lot

1646
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:52,619
harsher than they would but everything

1647
01:09:57,649 --> 01:09:54,900
will be judged and in that sense it kind

1648
01:09:59,810 --> 01:09:57,659
of puts a different spin on this but

1649
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,820
there just seem to be a lot of stuff in

1650
01:10:04,009 --> 01:10:01,920
the middle that is playing a completely

1651
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,019
different game and it's confusing the

1652
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:05,940
heck out of me and a lot other people is

1653
01:10:13,649 --> 01:10:10,500
this middle game yeah well one finishing

1654
01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:13,659
comment on this need for

1655
01:10:19,979 --> 01:10:17,229
a replicator or a cube oh my I I asked

1656
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:19,989
why do you bother to use a craft you can

1657
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:22,510
travel anywhere and bleed into any

1658
01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:24,249
dimension you want you can met you could

1659
01:10:27,540 --> 01:10:25,780
stand here in front of me in my house

1660
01:10:29,939 --> 01:10:27,550
I'm talking about the Syrians and I'm

1661
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:29,949
sure other civilizations have that

1662
01:10:35,129 --> 01:10:32,800
capacity why are you running around in

1663
01:10:38,489 --> 01:10:35,139
mother ships and Scout crafts and and

1664
01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:38,499
and so on and you know for better lack

1665
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:40,150
of a better answer just you know it's

1666
01:10:44,909 --> 01:10:42,489
fun it's like there was no it didn't

1667
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:44,919
seem to me that there was any great

1668
01:10:50,489 --> 01:10:48,070
profound earth-shattering underseasoned

1669
01:10:52,049 --> 01:10:50,499
other than you know we're just doing it

1670
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:52,059
it's like why do the kids go in the

1671
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:53,320
playground you know they could they

1672
01:10:56,699 --> 01:10:54,760
don't you could just today you could

1673
01:10:59,250 --> 01:10:56,709
just you know sit with your your your

1674
01:11:00,359 --> 01:10:59,260
app and and play with virtual reality

1675
01:11:03,149 --> 01:11:00,369
and never even bother to go with the

1676
01:11:04,589 --> 01:11:03,159
playground so if that may be one

1677
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:04,599
perspective I don't know if that's a

1678
01:11:10,049 --> 01:11:07,209
satisfactory one but that's that seemed

1679
01:11:11,729 --> 01:11:10,059
to me that you know they they showed us

1680
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:11,739
how they skied they showed us how you

1681
01:11:15,989 --> 01:11:14,530
know they they just they have a my last

1682
01:11:18,659 --> 01:11:15,999
comment and I won't get back to what

1683
01:11:22,350 --> 01:11:18,669
you're going to hear Alex but they have

1684
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:22,360
a area called entertainment a planetary

1685
01:11:25,739 --> 01:11:24,249
are called entertainer and they I

1686
01:11:28,169 --> 01:11:25,749
thought this was profound for me they

1687
01:11:30,689 --> 01:11:28,179
said two of the things that we value the

1688
01:11:32,429 --> 01:11:30,699
most our pleasure and relaxation we

1689
01:11:34,589 --> 01:11:32,439
consider them very important for our

1690
01:11:37,109 --> 01:11:34,599
spiritual well-being and on that

1691
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:37,119
particular area in that particular it's

1692
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:39,400
open to you it's open to me it's open

1693
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:41,409
almost these areas are although not at

1694
01:11:46,339 --> 01:11:43,630
all on the timeline planet is not open

1695
01:11:48,810 --> 01:11:46,349
because again if you start getting into

1696
01:11:51,659 --> 01:11:48,820
timeline manipulation master timeline

1697
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:51,669
stuff you could really mess mess up some

1698
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:53,409
reality so that you have to go with

1699
01:11:58,520 --> 01:11:55,209
someone who's got certifications so they

1700
01:12:02,850 --> 01:11:58,530
told me well so anyway that's enough of

1701
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:02,860
rambling on on the Sirians you you

1702
01:12:07,529 --> 01:12:05,050
brought up two or three ideas there

1703
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:07,539
which one if you wanted to kind of hone

1704
01:12:12,929 --> 01:12:10,090
in on one particular area of your

1705
01:12:16,919 --> 01:12:12,939
thoughts go ahead the part that makes

1706
01:12:19,529 --> 01:12:16,929
sense to me that I can't kind of resolve

1707
01:12:21,689 --> 01:12:19,539
with the other stuff is like I told you

1708
01:12:24,959 --> 01:12:21,699
from the NDE thing we're all going to be

1709
01:12:26,549 --> 01:12:24,969
judged Karma Judgment Day Christian you

1710
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:26,559
know it crosses all day and it makes

1711
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:27,520
total sense

1712
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:29,650
yet it's been co-opted by all our

1713
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:32,290
religions right so what I love about the

1714
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:34,510
judgement thing is you tell that to a

1715
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:36,489
Christian and they're just not in their

1716
01:12:41,010 --> 01:12:38,110
head right there and you say okay but

1717
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:41,020
here's the thing Jesus ain't judging you

1718
01:12:46,020 --> 01:12:43,690
God ain't judging you you're judging

1719
01:12:47,459 --> 01:12:46,030
yourself and they go what how would that

1720
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:47,469
work and then when you really think

1721
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:48,790
through it from a spiritual standpoint

1722
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:51,460
and you go well that's the only way it

1723
01:12:57,630 --> 01:12:53,230
could work that's the only way that it

1724
01:13:00,360 --> 01:12:57,640
would make sense that in a way puts all

1725
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:00,370
this other stuff as in the middle if you

1726
01:13:06,420 --> 01:13:02,710
will it's just in the middle it's a

1727
01:13:08,220 --> 01:13:06,430
transitory kind of thing between do you

1728
01:13:11,340 --> 01:13:08,230
get where I'm going I think so I think

1729
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:11,350
so yeah yeah in a sense the stuff in the

1730
01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:14,230
middle it's it's very illusionary but it

1731
01:13:18,930 --> 01:13:17,020
also is real we are working we're you

1732
01:13:21,209 --> 01:13:18,940
know we could think this is cliched but

1733
01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:21,219
they were just in a in a school this

1734
01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:23,140
life is a school it happens very quickly

1735
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:26,260
and if Vedic references say that we live

1736
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:28,180
much much longer which actually would

1737
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:30,070
would have would be a benefit to this

1738
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:32,290
school house because a lot of times

1739
01:13:37,050 --> 01:13:34,690
we'll do a perform an action which we

1740
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:37,060
will evaluate ourselves at some point in

1741
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:39,250
time it at the end of our life in

1742
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:42,280
between life whatever but because our

1743
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:44,920
lives are so bloody short 70 80 years a

1744
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:48,489
lot of the back end learning that we

1745
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:51,370
could have that say we mistreated this

1746
01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:54,010
person badly we don't maybe live long

1747
01:13:59,180 --> 01:13:56,830
enough to see the that because the

1748
01:14:02,790 --> 01:13:59,190
universe the actions in the universe are

1749
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:02,800
circular it circles back in mando's it

1750
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:04,840
comes right back to us but maybe we pass

1751
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:07,630
before that lesson comes back to us and

1752
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:09,910
we you know receive the same treatment

1753
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:11,140
from somebody else or have the same

1754
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:12,489
illness or something like that we

1755
01:14:16,410 --> 01:14:14,920
haven't learned our lesson so we got to

1756
01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:16,420
come back and do it again and that's one

1757
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:17,680
of the things that they say is so

1758
01:14:22,830 --> 01:14:19,810
valuable about if having an extended

1759
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:22,840
life or extended extended perspective is

1760
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:25,110
that we learn these things much better

1761
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:27,670
than having to sit and watch it on a TV

1762
01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:30,580
screen in some heavenly port with some

1763
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:32,680
guide sitting next she's saying hey he's

1764
01:14:35,790 --> 01:14:34,090
kind of messed up there Steve but that's

1765
01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:35,800
for you to judge no we could actually

1766
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:39,430
work it out and we could even tie that

1767
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:41,110
back to the whole the Guru

1768
01:14:45,660 --> 01:14:43,449
phenomena of why are they not infallible

1769
01:14:47,879 --> 01:14:45,670
why are they not godlike if they're

1770
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:47,889
teaching us how to find God and I've

1771
01:14:53,250 --> 01:14:49,900
heard gurus say that you know the

1772
01:14:55,649 --> 01:14:53,260
Scriptures will say who's more important

1773
01:14:57,629 --> 01:14:55,659
for a person the Guru or God and that

1774
01:15:01,410 --> 01:14:57,639
the phrase is the Guru is because

1775
01:15:03,149 --> 01:15:01,420
without the GU you can't find God so you

1776
01:15:05,370 --> 01:15:03,159
you get these kinds of trainings and

1777
01:15:07,649 --> 01:15:05,380
teachings and then you find that your

1778
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:07,659
guru are some gurus making mistakes and

1779
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:10,030
you start to go why is that have they

1780
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:12,010
not resolved their karma have they not

1781
01:15:16,890 --> 01:15:13,570
resolved their issues have they not

1782
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:16,900
looked into their experience and to a

1783
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:18,610
certain extent they have maybe more than

1784
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:19,810
we have but they also live with

1785
01:15:23,790 --> 01:15:21,820
something called Lygia vidya the faint

1786
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:23,800
remains in the Vedic parlance that's a

1787
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:25,960
Sanskrit phrase it's they shove Vidya

1788
01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:28,030
the faint remains of ignorance that we

1789
01:15:34,169 --> 01:15:30,369
come into in this life

1790
01:15:36,030 --> 01:15:34,179
bringing a suitcase of karma per up de

1791
01:15:38,729 --> 01:15:36,040
karma that's it and if we gain our

1792
01:15:40,530 --> 01:15:38,739
Nirvana if we gain enlightenment then we

1793
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:40,540
still are going to live out our life and

1794
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:43,150
many many great Saints have have died of

1795
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,100
cancer had throat cancer I know one

1796
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:47,040
particular or had terribly debilitating

1797
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,090
experience so it's still part of a

1798
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:50,800
package of karma that even though they

1799
01:15:54,209 --> 01:15:51,820
may have been enlightened they were

1800
01:15:56,430 --> 01:15:54,219
still working out because the arrow had

1801
01:15:58,680 --> 01:15:56,440
been shot the karmic arrow had been shot

1802
01:16:03,689 --> 01:15:58,690
and they were receiving it at some point

1803
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:03,699
in time so all these things come into

1804
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:07,800
play it would be nice if we were able to

1805
01:16:13,950 --> 01:16:12,310
resolve our issues neatly no but but it

1806
01:16:15,959 --> 01:16:13,960
doesn't seem to happen that way a lot of

1807
01:16:17,939 --> 01:16:15,969
times a week get hit with this horrible

1808
01:16:19,919 --> 01:16:17,949
financial Carmen the middle of my life

1809
01:16:21,930 --> 01:16:19,929
and I say to myself what the heck did I

1810
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:21,940
do to deserve that or my wife says

1811
01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:24,130
sayonara I'm out of here I can't even

1812
01:16:28,859 --> 01:16:26,980
stand it sight of you anymore what did I

1813
01:16:31,649 --> 01:16:28,869
do to deserve that and so we start to

1814
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:31,659
get Sinha coordi pressed or you know

1815
01:16:37,020 --> 01:16:34,300
sick or or this or that or why did my

1816
01:16:39,870 --> 01:16:37,030
boss do that to me and and we if we if

1817
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:39,880
we take ownership and say there's not a

1818
01:16:45,930 --> 01:16:42,610
single thing that can possibly happen in

1819
01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:45,940
our life that has not been initiated by

1820
01:16:51,209 --> 01:16:48,520
our own consciousness then then we're if

1821
01:16:53,970 --> 01:16:51,219
we can say that and if we can by if we

1822
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:53,980
can live that reality then we're really

1823
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:54,730
that's a big

1824
01:17:00,870 --> 01:16:58,000
step forward in the processing of our

1825
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:00,880
steps of evolution again I don't know if

1826
01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:02,770
I've just we're still need to dig a

1827
01:17:06,180 --> 01:17:04,390
little bit what else do we need to I

1828
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,190
think we're getting there you know we

1829
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:08,800
could go on and on really because you

1830
01:17:13,620 --> 01:17:11,010
have so many many stories and

1831
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:13,630
experiences and a broad range of them

1832
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:15,070
and this is something you think about

1833
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,700
and obviously work on regularly but

1834
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:20,800
let's let's wrap it up with banana it

1835
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:22,690
for now and happen you have some tennis

1836
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:24,490
duties to go off and do it well let me

1837
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:26,260
mention Alex if your if the people

1838
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:27,730
anybody who's watching is wondering why

1839
01:17:32,430 --> 01:17:29,890
the heck is Steve standing I just want

1840
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:32,440
to confess I hurt my back a few days ago

1841
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:34,270
on the tennis court and it's and I can

1842
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:35,650
do anything but sit right now even

1843
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,570
driving my car so I can even teach

1844
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:40,000
tennis but sitting for some reason it's

1845
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,470
right the pinch of the lower back so

1846
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:43,360
I've been standing here for the whole

1847
01:17:49,260 --> 01:17:45,730
and that's the reason okay full

1848
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:49,270
disclosure no it's been it's been

1849
01:17:53,070 --> 01:17:51,040
awesome our guest again has been Steve

1850
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:53,080
Briggs one of the books you want to

1851
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:55,450
check out is India mirror of truth

1852
01:18:01,860 --> 01:17:58,570
what's the best way for people to read

1853
01:18:06,810 --> 01:18:01,870
that book and find it I have a website

1854
01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:06,820
at Steve Briggs author calm and I saw it

1855
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:09,220
there it's sold on all the online you

1856
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:11,410
know Amazon and Barnes & Noble it's all

1857
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:13,210
those are both my books are sold in

1858
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:15,370
those places both books are sold on my

1859
01:18:21,330 --> 01:18:18,210
website Steve Briggs author dot-com and

1860
01:18:22,710 --> 01:18:21,340
so I'd be delighted if you want to buy

1861
01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:22,720
it through my website of course I'd be

1862
01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:24,220
happy to see that that way to give you a

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01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:25,720
chance I could sign it for a person if

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:27,430
they wanted to book signed and I I do

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01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:30,250
give you know some discount when I saw

1866
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:31,810
it through my website because we don't

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01:18:36,990 --> 01:18:34,450
have the stores taking their percentage

1868
01:18:39,060 --> 01:18:37,000
so well I do encourage people to check

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:39,070
it out and in particular you know the

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01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:41,170
way I was trying to go with this

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01:18:45,210 --> 01:18:43,150
interview and I think we accomplished it

1872
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:45,220
and then some in terms of going and

1873
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:47,170
talking about your astral body travel to

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01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:50,560
the Sirian planet and visiting ETS and

1875
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:51,970
talking about which blows people away

1876
01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:54,130
but what I wanted people what I want

1877
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:56,200
people to know is both in this book that

1878
01:18:59,820 --> 01:18:57,310
I've read and the other one that I

1879
01:19:02,370 --> 01:18:59,830
haven't but I just in what you've told

1880
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:02,380
me these are accounts that are

1881
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:05,230
verifiable I mean you were there in

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01:19:11,710 --> 01:19:08,530
India here is the photo of

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01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:11,720
that you were sitting next to so if

1884
01:19:17,530 --> 01:19:14,030
people are kind of taking it back and

1885
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:17,540
can't swallow all that stuff read the

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01:19:23,860 --> 01:19:20,270
book read the book because it's very

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01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:23,870
down to earth and yet the book is also a

1888
01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:25,730
launching pad for some extraordinary

1889
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:27,230
experiences that are in the book as well

1890
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:30,290
so we have to find a way to incorporate

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01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:35,810
in your reality or we're just burying

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01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:38,090
our head and the stand and we just can't

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01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:38,600
do that

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what what are your comments on on that

1895
01:19:50,650 --> 01:19:47,000
Steve well I have been patiently hoping

1896
01:19:53,020 --> 01:19:50,660
that greater group of humanity would

1897
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:53,030
take note of what's going on all around

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01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:53,690
us

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01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:55,520
both the positive and the negative but I

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01:19:59,650 --> 01:19:57,890
do feel that people are just a little

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01:20:01,450 --> 01:19:59,660
bit too passive and I'll turn on CNN

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01:20:04,810 --> 01:20:01,460
news and go this happened this happened

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01:20:07,090 --> 01:20:04,820
and I'll tell you from my experience and

1904
01:20:09,490 --> 01:20:07,100
in the inner fields of consciousness and

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01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:09,500
in my guides and so far they said listen

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01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:11,690
that's the last place you should rely

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01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:14,420
don't rely on quote network news all

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01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:17,810
these things you just need to disconnect

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01:20:23,890 --> 01:20:20,330
from that because it has an agenda which

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01:20:28,930 --> 01:20:23,900
is not to develop your consciousness but

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01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,940
to restrain it somehow so I do feel that

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01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:31,280
on the positive side that people are

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01:20:35,260 --> 01:20:33,260
waking up you know that's that's Vic

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01:20:37,090 --> 01:20:35,270
show people waking Rick archers show

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01:20:39,730 --> 01:20:37,100
people waking up and their individual

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01:20:41,890 --> 01:20:39,740
experiences and I thought I'd woken up

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:41,900
quite quite a bit and just three months

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01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:44,330
ago I had this beautiful

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01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:46,550
we call it darshan internal darshan

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experience and happened to be with

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01:20:52,090 --> 01:20:50,360
Maharshi and he showed up in a moment of

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01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:52,100
lucidity when I was meditating in the

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01:20:56,590 --> 01:20:54,410
night and he put both hands on my

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:20:56,600
forehead and I'll tell you I thought the

1925
01:21:01,720 --> 01:20:58,850
rheostat was pretty bright inside but he

1926
01:21:05,140 --> 01:21:01,730
just went up about a few notches and I

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:05,150
was again blown away by what the

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01:21:11,470 --> 01:21:08,810
potential is for what a guru might do or

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:11,480
a mentor might do of what I have always

1930
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felt was an impressive stature that Mar

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01:21:21,370 --> 01:21:18,290
she had so that happened just in June

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and I I just you know if they okay

1933
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:24,310
I see the shortcomings in my real in my

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:27,260
mentors but I also see the blessings

1935
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,290
that they've shared with me so I just

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01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:31,520
that would be a final comment to that

1937
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:35,930
don't expect perfection in you know be

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01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:38,110
use discrimination you know look at

1939
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:40,550
evaluate who you're gonna take knowledge

1940
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:43,010
from and if you if your internal if your

1941
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:45,020
feeling level your heart feels right

1942
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:46,640
about if your intellect makes make sense

1943
01:21:52,330 --> 01:21:49,970
to you then we want to move up move

1944
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:52,340
along we want to take that up but don't

1945
01:21:56,170 --> 01:21:55,010
go in blindly you know use use talk to

1946
01:21:59,260 --> 01:21:56,180
your friends talk to the people you

1947
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,270
trust and go in with your eyes open you

1948
01:22:03,490 --> 01:22:01,040
know the other thing I guess in a couple

1949
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:03,500
minutes we'd have that I'd like to talk

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01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:07,850
about is I feel like it's important to

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01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:11,900
choose good and to choose the right path

1952
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:15,890
because I think that it's it's easy when

1953
01:22:21,460 --> 01:22:18,320
we look at all the information we get

1954
01:22:23,260 --> 01:22:21,470
about these extended realms you know in

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01:22:27,210 --> 01:22:23,270
the same way we're talking about the

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01:22:29,980 --> 01:22:27,220
evil that is being done you know evil is

1957
01:22:32,710 --> 01:22:29,990
it's very present and it is very

1958
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:32,720
tempting and I don't know it sounds very

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01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:34,370
Christian I don't mean it in a christian

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01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:37,250
sense but we have to choose good do you

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01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,220
have any thoughts on this well Keshava

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01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:42,080
said to me very frankly said there are

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01:22:50,020 --> 01:22:45,490
some very bad people in Washington

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:50,030
London Beijing New York City he said

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01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:52,610
they have very bad intention and we have

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01:22:58,210 --> 01:22:55,250
to you have to be aware that they are

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01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:58,220
not serving the best interests of

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01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,470
humanity so if we're not even ufff to

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01:23:05,260 --> 01:23:02,480
just buy into everything that washington

1970
01:23:08,230 --> 01:23:05,270
puts out there or our financial people

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01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:08,240
in new york then we may be setting

1972
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:11,990
ourselves up for a big shock but beyond

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01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:14,900
that I would say and this is a lesson I

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01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:17,840
really have still continued to work on

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01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:20,690
and that is the thing that what Kay said

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01:23:26,500 --> 01:23:23,930
is that Steve every thought when the

1977
01:23:28,930 --> 01:23:26,510
thought you have is propelled by a

1978
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:28,940
strong emotion or feeling behind it that

1979
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:31,310
takes on a life of its own that thought

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01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:33,890
itself it becomes like a living being

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01:23:36,570 --> 01:23:34,720
and it move

1982
01:23:38,010 --> 01:23:36,580
and as it moves out of you to wherever

1983
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:38,020
you're sending it I don't like that

1984
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:39,910
person that person cheated me in the

1985
01:23:47,100 --> 01:23:42,850
tennis match it gathers more energy of

1986
01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:47,110
like quality and then surprised it

1987
01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:49,420
circles back now you have to as you

1988
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:51,940
begin to decide how you're gonna feel

1989
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:53,530
about your ex-wife or how you're gonna

1990
01:23:59,490 --> 01:23:57,040
feel about your your boss or hi or

1991
01:24:02,520 --> 01:23:59,500
anything keep that as a reference point

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01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:02,530
I continue to consciously go wait a

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01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:04,300
second you know I don't really want it

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01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:06,370
you know send an arrow somewhere that I

1995
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:08,110
know will ultimately come back and hit

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01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:10,540
me right in the in the chest so that is

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01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,910
a lesson that I'm still working on among

1998
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:14,800
others but that's one that I really

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01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:17,410
think we could all benefit from and

2000
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:18,970
that's a lesson that I really was

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01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:22,960
impressed by the Tibetans they I would

2002
01:24:25,860 --> 01:24:24,610
say they're they're not feeling people

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:25,870
at all because they're beautiful and

2004
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:27,610
then I loved I loved all my interactions

2005
01:24:31,650 --> 01:24:29,890
but they are not interested in leaping

2006
01:24:33,420 --> 01:24:31,660
into the game kind of the way Westerners

2007
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:33,430
might do it and and just you know

2008
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:35,500
putting on the gloves and slugging it

2009
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:37,840
out they have a little bit you know okay

2010
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:39,850
well that I see that you've been done

2011
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:42,010
wrong too but made say well there's

2012
01:24:45,330 --> 01:24:43,510
karma involve there's all these other

2013
01:24:47,790 --> 01:24:45,340
things involved so don't just leap in

2014
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:47,800
and start swinging because it's gonna

2015
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:51,250
come back so that's that's a personal

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01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,290
lesson that I continue to almost read

2017
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:55,360
stuff every day to remind myself that

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01:25:00,900 --> 01:24:58,210
that that's something that I feel I'm

2019
01:25:04,710 --> 01:25:00,910
still you know in school for yeah buddy

2020
01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:04,720
I'm in school for that one too well we

2021
01:25:09,810 --> 01:25:07,540
wouldn't be here you know if we didn't

2022
01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:09,820
have a few lessons to learn and it's

2023
01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:13,660
part of the the deal and I'm good with

2024
01:25:19,020 --> 01:25:16,540
that and we will evaluate you know we'll

2025
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:19,030
grate ourselves at the end of the the

2026
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:21,130
term at the end of this the class before

2027
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,230
we move on to the next grade we'll have

2028
01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:25,600
that chance to to grade ourselves to

2029
01:25:29,340 --> 01:25:27,340
judge our self to see how we did and see

2030
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:29,350
what we didn't do so well and we will

2031
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:31,810
correct it and in time which just has no

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01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:34,800
reality ultimately in in this big

2033
01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:38,800
infinity flexible soup we have all the

2034
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:41,140
time we need you know whether it have we

2035
01:25:45,150 --> 01:25:43,150
want it as Americans are really cool

2036
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:45,160
employment they want it if they could do

2037
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:46,210
something you want to do it today

2038
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:48,010
they're not gonna say let's wait and

2039
01:25:50,459 --> 01:25:48,610
we'll do a 20

2040
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:50,469
years so now over in Asia I see that

2041
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:52,270
philosophy oh well we'll get to that

2042
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:53,650
eventually and there's a little bit more

2043
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,530
passivity but that's a great thing

2044
01:25:59,879 --> 01:25:58,480
because you won't get your enlightenment

2045
01:26:03,000 --> 01:25:59,889
unless you start doing something today

2046
01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:03,010
and tomorrow and the next day if you and

2047
01:26:07,169 --> 01:26:05,560
so if that's a great quality of

2048
01:26:10,859 --> 01:26:07,179
Americans the other side of it is you

2049
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:10,869
know patience is also requirement first

2050
01:26:14,609 --> 01:26:13,030
patience and tolerance I think that we

2051
01:26:17,820 --> 01:26:14,619
could all benefit from more patience

2052
01:26:21,390 --> 01:26:17,830
more tolerance toward ourselves as well

2053
01:26:24,419 --> 01:26:21,400
as others yeah awesome Steve ok so folks

2054
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,429
do check out Steve's books will we'll

2055
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:26,320
have a link in the show notes to his

2056
01:26:31,109 --> 01:26:28,780
website Steve let's stay connected I'd

2057
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:31,119
love to have further conversations with

2058
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:33,100
you about this thanks so much for being

2059
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:35,050
here all right well great talking I

2060
01:26:38,879 --> 01:26:37,210
enjoyed it very much thanks again to

2061
01:26:40,830 --> 01:26:38,889
Steve Briggs for joining me today on

2062
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:40,840
skeptic oh I think it's going to be hard

2063
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,750
to sidestep the information that emerges

2064
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,000
in this interview about the Syrians and

2065
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:48,639
the specific information about there are

2066
01:26:51,899 --> 01:26:50,290
other planets and they have all the

2067
01:26:54,540 --> 01:26:51,909
information in the world stored in these

2068
01:26:56,609 --> 01:26:54,550
crystals and I don't know quite what to

2069
01:26:59,790 --> 01:26:56,619
make of that it's certainly hard for me

2070
01:27:01,410 --> 01:26:59,800
to swallow that as a literal reality but

2071
01:27:03,959 --> 01:27:01,420
I think Steve is also open to the

2072
01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:03,969
possibility that he doesn't know how

2073
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,100
much of that was even intended to be

2074
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:08,080
taken literally or how much of that

2075
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:10,360
experience was something that's supposed

2076
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:13,500
to fit back inside of our day-to-day

2077
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:17,440
normal reality but what I'd like to

2078
01:27:24,990 --> 01:27:20,830
challenge you to think about and engage

2079
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:25,000
with me about is the process of going

2080
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:29,770
from the known to the unknown because as

2081
01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:31,210
we've explored on this show there's

2082
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,880
plenty of people we encounter who are

2083
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:36,480
really stuck on the scientific

2084
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,580
materialistic biological robot reality

2085
01:27:43,620 --> 01:27:41,679
and cannot go any further

2086
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:43,630
most of us listen to this show have said

2087
01:27:49,260 --> 01:27:46,750
well that doesn't make sense either just

2088
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:49,270
based on the most solid scientific day

2089
01:27:53,609 --> 01:27:51,610
that we have but of course the problem

2090
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:53,619
and we've all encountered this and I

2091
01:27:57,959 --> 01:27:55,080
think we're all wrestling with it is

2092
01:28:01,560 --> 01:27:57,969
what do we do when we take the next step

2093
01:28:02,819 --> 01:28:01,570
that takes us further and further down

2094
01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:02,829
that rabbit

2095
01:28:07,709 --> 01:28:04,840
what do we do when we look at the work

2096
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:07,719
of Dean Radin and we say Oh presentiment

2097
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,670
seems to be real so I guess my

2098
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:12,400
relationship with time is not what I

2099
01:28:16,259 --> 01:28:14,110
think it is Oh

2100
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:16,269
consciousness extends beyond bodily

2101
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:18,249
death and my consciousness can leave

2102
01:28:22,859 --> 01:28:20,380
this body and then seems to be able to

2103
01:28:26,069 --> 01:28:22,869
leave this earth well what does that

2104
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:26,079
mean in terms of consciousness traveling

2105
01:28:30,419 --> 01:28:28,570
and how far can it travel and what can

2106
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:30,429
it know and bring back from those

2107
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:32,530
travels these are all steps that I think

2108
01:28:37,709 --> 01:28:34,780
most of us have taken along this journey

2109
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:37,719
but the challenge is what do we do when

2110
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:41,050
we encounter Steve Briggs and he adds

2111
01:28:47,310 --> 01:28:44,729
another layer on top of that that says I

2112
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:47,320
encountered these Yogi's in India and

2113
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:49,570
they do this and this and this and they

2114
01:28:53,790 --> 01:28:51,550
can demonstrate it over and over again

2115
01:28:56,100 --> 01:28:53,800
and then what do we do when he says oh

2116
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:56,110
and by the way I took what they taught

2117
01:29:01,229 --> 01:28:59,050
me and I travel to the Sirius Star and

2118
01:29:03,509 --> 01:29:01,239
talk to these people as you heard in the

2119
01:29:05,879 --> 01:29:03,519
interview what do we do with them what

2120
01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:05,889
do you do with that how do you process

2121
01:29:11,459 --> 01:29:09,369
that that's the question it's a big one

2122
01:29:13,589 --> 01:29:11,469
but I'd love to hear your answer the

2123
01:29:17,969 --> 01:29:13,599
place to do it of course is through the

2124
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:17,979
skeptical website at SK EPT I K oh where

2125
01:29:21,330 --> 01:29:19,360
you can find all the previous episodes

2126
01:29:24,989 --> 01:29:21,340
of skeptic oh they're for free to

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download and use as you please do stay

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with me if I've got some good stuff

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coming up but until next time do take

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care and bye for now

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[Music]

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so thanks for watching this video and if

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it wasn't really a video but just an

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audio stored as a video I apologize but

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there's more videos out there as well

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but please check out the skeptic Oh

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website you can see it here we cover a

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lot of different stuff you might be

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interested in relating to controversial

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science and spirituality a lot of shows

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up there over 350 of them or so all free

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all available for download so do check